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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jul 2026 1:17 am 
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Hello Everyone,

First I'd like to say I appreciate your time and your willingness to share your earned knowledge. I'd like your help ensuring my translations are fully correct and accurate with appropriate context. My understanding has significant gaps. I have pulled these sayings from a variety of sources, some reliable, some not and have tried to hone them myself. Here is what I'm working with:

English: Walk with me, my children, I will show you the way of battle and victory (contextualy I'm looking for a saying that would apply to a man who is a devoted and loved yet hardcore coach of children, teaching them how to fight and win.)
Translation: Siúlaigí liom, a pháistí; taispeánfaidh mé daoibh bealach an chatha agus an bhua

English: There is no victory, without hardship (contextually I'm looking for a saying similar to "no pain, no gain")
Translation: Níl bua gan dua.

English: God's help is close at hand (contextually I'm trying to say that God is always with you, and when you need help he is close and available)
Translation: Is giorra cabhair Dé ná an doras

English: Fortune favors the bold (contextually it speaks for itself)
Translation: Bíonn an rath ar an misneach

The text you help me develop will be engraved in the fuller of a high end replica Kern ring hilt sword. I'm also considering engraving the "no pain, no gain" on the cruciform guard. The sword will eventually be presented/gifted to a proud, iron bodied Irishman who teaches children MMA, Muay Thai, and submission grappling. He's been training them for many years and has helped to build great adults.

I'm also open to other thoughts and suggestions on an appropriate engraving. I'm not Irish so while trying to honor a great Irishman I'm remain a bit of an outsider. Please, if you think of something very appropriate as an engraving, share it with me.

Thank you!


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jul 2026 3:58 pm 
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KadaganX wrote:
Siúlaigí liom, a pháistí; taispeánfaidh mé daoibh bealach an chatha agus an bhua

I’d put daoibh at the end.

Siúlaigí liom, a pháistí, taispeánfaidh mé bealach an chatha agus an bhua daoibh.
SL: Siubhalaigí liom, a pháistí, taispeánfaidh mé bealach an chatha agus an bhuaidh daoibh.
(or: siubhalaidh, siubhalaidhidh; taispeánfad instead of taispeánfaidh mé; ⁊ instead of agus, buadh instead of buaidh)

Siuḃalaigí liom, a ṗáistí, taispeánfaiḋ mé bealaċ an ċaṫa ⁊ an ḃuaiḋ daoiḃ.
siuḃalaiḋ, siuḃalaiḋiḋ; taispeánfad; ⁊ = agus; buaḋ

Quote:
Níl bua gan dua.


Níl bua gan dua
SL: Ní fhuil bua(i)dh gan duadh (or: Ní’l ...)
Ní ḟuil bua(i)ḋ gan duaḋ / Ní’l bua(i)ḋ gan duaḋ

Quote:
Is giorra cabhair Dé ná an doras.


Is giorra cabhair Dé ná an doras.
Is giorra caḃair Dé ná an doras.

Quote:
Bíonn an rath ar an misneach


Bíonn an rath ar an misneach
SL: Bíonn an rath ar an meisneach,.
Bíonn an raṫ ar an meisneaċ

(edit: corrections acc. to Séamus’ post)


Last edited by Labhrás on Thu 16 Jul 2026 3:53 pm, edited 3 times in total.

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jul 2026 10:19 pm 
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Here are some additional dialectal forms (expanding on what Labhrás has already provided). There are three main dialects of the Irish language: Munster, Connacht, and Ulster. The Seana-Leitriú is the form of spelling that existed prior to the spelling reform established in the 1950s.

Labhrás wrote:
Siúlaigí liom, a pháistí, taispeánfaidh mé bealach an chatha agus an bhua daoibh.
SL: Siubhalaigí liom, a pháistí, taispeánfaidh mé bealach an chatha agus an bhua daoibh.
(or: siubhalaidh, siubhalaidhidh; taispeánfad instead of taispeánfaidh mé; ⁊ instead of agus )


Munster: Siúlaidh liom, a pháistí, teaspánfad/'spánfad/teaspánfaidh mé/'spánfaidh mé bealach an chatha agus an bhua dhuibh/dhíbh (dhuibh in Corca Dhuibhne, dhíbh in Muskerry); SL: Siuḃlaiḋ liom, a ṗáistí, teaspánfad/'spánfad/teaspánfaiḋ mé bealaċ an ċaṫa ⁊ an ḃuaḋa ḋuiḃ/ḋíḃ
Connacht: Siúlaigí liom, a pháistí, taspánfaidh me/tiospánfaidh me/tiseánfaidh me (the first form found in Galway, and the second two in Mayo) bealach an chatha agus an bhua dhaoib/dhíb (the second form found in the Aran dialect(s)); SL: Siuḃlaigí liom, a ṗáistí, taspánfaiḋ me/tiospánfaiḋ me/tiseánfaiḋ me bealaċ an ċaṫa ⁊ an ḃuaḋa ḋaoib/ḋíb
Ulster: Siúlaigí liom, a pháistí, tispeánfaidh me bealach an chatha agus an bhua daoibh; SL: Siuḃlaigí liom, a ṗáistí, tispeánfaiḋ me bealaċ an ċaṫa ⁊ an ḃuaḋa daoiḃ

Labhrás wrote:
Níl bua gan dua
SL: Ní fhuil bua gan dua
Ní ḟuil bua gan dua / Ní’l bua gan dua


Munster: Níl bua gan dua; SL: Ní'l buaḋ gan duaḋ. Note: ní ḟuil could be used though ní'l refelcts pronunciation better (i.e. no remaining dialect as far as I know of pronounces it as /n´i: il´/, but instead /n´i:l´/. Ní ḃfuil was also used, but I do not know of any dialects that retain this form.)
Connacht: Níl bua gan dua; SL: Ní'l buaḋ gan duaḋ
Ulster: Cha bhfuil/chan fhuil/níl bua gan dua; SL: ċan ḟuil/ċa ḃfuil buaḋ gan duaḋ

Labhrás wrote:
Is giorra cabhair Dé ná an doras
Is giorra caḃair Dé ná an doras


Is giorra cabhair Dé ná an doras; SL: is giorra caḃair Dé 'ná an doras. This form applies to all dialects. is often spelt 'ná in the SL as it a shortened form of ioná

Labhrás wrote:
Bíonn an rath ar an misneach
Bíonn an raṫ ar an misneaċ


Munster/Connacht: Bíonn an rath ar an misneach; SL: Bíonn an raṫ ar an meisneaċ
Ulster: Bíonn an rath ar an mhisneach; SL: Bíonn an raṫ ar an ṁeisneaċ

Please note that the dialect that I am most familiar with is the Corca Dhuibhne dialect. Take other dialectal forms with a grain of salt and make sure to wait for others to confirm before moving forward.

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