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 Post subject: A fheara uaisle!
PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012 10:04 am 
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Tá a fhios agam go bhfuil gairmeach iolra airithe ag an gCaighdeán dosna focalaibh sa chéad díochlaonadh, ach níor chualas é riamh
sa chaint bheo. 'Sé seo atá i gceist agam:

Ainmneach uatha: fear
Ainmneach iolra: fir
Gairmeach uatha: fir (a fhir)
Gairmeach iolra: feara (a fheara)

Ach, airím i gcónaí "a fhearaibh" nó "a fhir". An bhfuil éinne ar domhan a deireann "a fheara"? Más
rud é ná bhfuil éinne ann, cá dtáinig sé?

I know that the standard has a special vocative plural for first declension words, but I never hear it in speech.
What I'm talking about is:

Nominative singular: fear
Nominative plural: fir
Vocative singular: fir (a fhir)
Vocative plural: feara (a fheara)

However, I always here "a fhearaibh" or "a fhir". Is there anybody who says "a fheara"? If there isn't
where did it come from?


(I'd like to ask my question in Irish to practice if that's okay.)

Go raibh maith agat as do chabhair.

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 Post subject: Re: A fheara uaisle!
PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012 11:23 am 
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De réir an Siadhalaigh, is é a fheara an fhoirm choitianta i gConnacht. Chloistear a fhearaibh freisin i gConamara Thiar, ach a fheara a chloistear go hiondúil.

Is é a fhearaibh foirm a chloistear níos mó i nGaeilge na Mumhain, sílim.


(According to Ó Siadhail, a fheara is the usual form in Connacht. A fhearaibh is also heard in West Connemara, but usually a fheara.

A fhearaibh is generally more of a Munster form, I think.)

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 Post subject: Re: A fheara uaisle!
PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012 12:47 pm 
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I think I read a fheara in the excerpt of Peig Sayers' book that I read for the Leaving Certificate; they were at the train station, after, or before, spending a day in town. I think.

Yep. First result on Google from the LeavingC examinations' site. (a fheara peig sayers) It may have been edited, though - I'm not saying that's necessarily what she would have said.


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 Post subject: Re: A fheara uaisle!
PostPosted: Fri 16 Mar 2012 9:57 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
De réir an Siadhalaigh, is é a fheara an fhoirm choitianta i gConnacht. Chloistear a fhearaibh freisin i gConamara Thiar, ach a fheara a chloistear go hiondúil.

Is rud suimiúil é sin. Is minic a deinim mo mhachnamh ar an mbaintear úsáid as na foirmeachaibh neamhchoitianta a fheicim
i leabhair.

That's interesting. I often wonder if anybody uses the unusual forms I see in books.

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Is é a fhearaibh foirm a chloistear níos mó i nGaeilge na Mumhain, sílim.

Is beag an ionadh gur airíos "a fhearaibh" más ea, ó táim ag foghlaim Ghaeilge na Mumhain.

Go raibh maith agat!

No wonder that I heard "a fhearaibh" then, since I'm learning Munster Irish.

Thanks!

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