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PostPosted: Sun 27 Apr 2025 8:56 pm 
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Is iontach a dheinis é. Ach, mar gheall ar an mbreithiúntas atá le tabhairt agam, déanfad mo chroídhícheall, siúd is ná fuil ionam féin ach tosnóir.

*1* "Is aoibhinn don duine nár shiúlaigh i gcómhairle na neamhdhiaga;
agus nár sheasaimh i slí na bpeacach;
agus nár shuigh i gcathaoir na pláige."
shiúlaigh: I hear [ˈhúlˠəgʲ].
When slender initial s is followed by a broad vowel, aspiration normally changes it to slender ch (TYI p. 10), so in this case [ˈxʲú:lˠəgʲ] = [ˈçú:lˠəgʲ]. BUT I don't know about Kerry.
gcómhairle: I hear [ũː]. AFAIK correct (Kerry, I assume), as is /õː/.
na: can it be palatalized? I hear [nʲɪ] or maybe even [ɲʲɪ].

*2* "Ach is i ndlí an Tiarna atá a thoil.
Agus is ar a dhlí a bheidh a mhactnamh de ló agus d’oíche."
thoil: [hɔlʲ]. Good, AFAIK. Can be also more fronted [hɞlʲ]. Cf. scoil (I don't have a recording at hand atm).
dhlí: I heard [jʲlʲi:vʲ].
mhactnamh: generally 't' is silent. /ˈvˠɑxn̪ˠəvˠ/. See IWM §341.
Speculation: perhaps locally it underwent fortition and was also pronounced as if spelled 'mactnamh'. I don't know.

*3* "Agus beidh sé mar an gcrann a cuireadh in aice le sruth,
do thabharfaidh a thoradh uaidh i dtráth.
Agus ní thitfidh a dhuilliúr de.
Agus beidh an rath ar gach ní dá ndéanfaidh sé."
thabharfaidh: OK. (Can be /ˈçuːɾˠhəgʲ/ in some dialects, apparently, but I don't know which ones. Cf. my comment on 'shiúlaigh' above.)

*4* "Ní mar sin don lucht neamhdhiaga, ní hea,
ach mar an gceó do scuabann an ghaoth ó aghaidh na talún"
don lucht: I hear "do-nuch" [dən̪ˠʊxˠ]. 2 things: n+l--> n (N?) and disappearance of t before n. Sandhi I don't know about?
hea: /ha/, of course, but in Cork it particular, from what I've noticed, it may be more fronted.

*5* "Dá bhrí sin ní éireóidh an lucht neamhdhiaga arís i mbreithiúntas
ná na peacaigh i gcómhairle na bhfíoraon."
ní éireóidh: I heard 'ní dh'éireóidh'
lucht neamhdhiaga: I heard 'luch…'
arís: I heard 'aidíst'.
na peacaigh: I think I heard 'na pheacaigh'.

*6* "Óir is eól don Tiarna slí na bhfíoraon;
agus raghaidh slí na neamhdhiaga ar neamhní."
Sounds good to me.

TYI: Dillon, Myles; Ó Cróinín, Donncha (1961). Teach Yourself Irish.
Apologies for somewhat haphazard use of phonetic symbols.
IWM: Ó Cuív, Brian (1968) The Irish of West Muskerry, Co. Cork: A Phonetic Study.


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PostPosted: Mon 28 Apr 2025 5:25 pm 
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Gréasaghas wrote:
shiúlaigh: I hear [ˈhúlˠəgʲ].
When slender initial s is followed by a broad vowel, aspiration normally changes it to slender ch (TYI p. 10), so in this case [ˈxʲú:lˠəgʲ] = [ˈçú:lˠəgʲ]. BUT I don't know about Kerry.


There are only a very few words in CDh with a lenited sh pronounced as ch.

Gréasaghas wrote:
thoil: [hɔlʲ]. Good, AFAIK. Can be also more fronted [hɞlʲ]. Cf. scoil (I don't have a recording at hand atm).
dhlí: I heard [jʲlʲi:vʲ].


thoil can be like thoil, theil, thuil.
Maybe: dhlí a bheidh --> dhlí ' bheidh --> dhlí ' bh...?

Gréasaghas wrote:
don lucht: I hear "do-nuch" [dən̪ˠʊxˠ]. 2 things: n+l--> n (N?) and disappearance of t before n. Sandhi I don't know about?


Yes, the final part of a consonant cluster can be omitted when preceding a consonant of a similar articulatory position.

Gréasaghas wrote:
ní éireóidh: I heard 'ní dh'éireóidh'
lucht neamhdhiaga: I heard 'luch…'
arís: I heard 'aidíst'.


Particles that cause lenition on consonants often cause dh' to be prefixed to vowels. See this thread: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=8366&p=54356&hilit=dh%27&sid=f4b29987944db92e63246ca2ee45190c#p54356.
I might have over-corrected the slender r in airíst. I'm used to it being broad in Kerry.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Apr 2025 3:30 pm 
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Thank you guys so much! This thread means a lot to me, I hope y'all keep creating these great recordings, they are helping me a lot.

Also, if anyone wants to read chapter 49 of Genesis to me, specifically Jacob blessing his children, that'd be awesome.


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PostPosted: Sun 04 May 2025 12:14 am 
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Sailm a dó: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f5otPw ... drive_link

Again, please tell me if the link isn't working. The audio quality should be better this time. I got a little caught up on the last bit of the psalm, so please excuse my stuttering.

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Sailm a trí: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15muFdL ... drive_link

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Sailm a ceathair: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dL926D ... sp=sharing

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Sailm a chúig: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mGrK43 ... sp=sharing

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Thank you so much!!


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Salm a sé: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yvKSW- ... sp=sharing , again, got a bit caught up at the end, apologies.

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