djwebb2021 wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
There should be future tense or present subjunctive following go dtí go:
… go dtí go mbuafaidh mé / mbéarfaidh mé bua
… go dtí go mbua mé / mbeire mé bua
I'm wondering about that, because if as Ceanntuigheoireacht implied, the present tense is in the first clause, can't the second clause be present too? When I offered my version with the future in the 2nd clause, you will notice that I tidied it up by putting the future in the 1st clause too.....
Yes, I wondered, too.
But there’s generally future tense in Irish if there is future meaning, therefore future tense in the second part.
Present subjunctive is kind of a future tense because it shifts the event from the factual to the imagined.
Indicative present tense, esp. a habitual present, doesn’t make sense. It is an anglicism ("until I win"). Germanic languages originally lack a future tense, so present tense is used with future meaning.
The first part of the sentence refers at least partly to the present time, so present tense is okay:
Níl sé thart [anois agus ní bheidh sé thart] go dtí go mbuafaidh mé. (The bracketed part is understood.)
But you could say as well:
"Níl sé thart ach beidh sé thart má bhuaim." (... but it will be over if I will win.)
Má requires habitual present,
go dtí go does not.
djwebb2021 wrote:
Let's just add that the subjunctive in Munster is: go dtí go mbeiread an bua liom. Now,what would the present subjunctive of the verb buaigh be? Go dtí go mbuad or mbuadhad? The subjunctive was becoming rare even in Peadar ua Laoghaire's day.
Yes, probably buadhad > buad (I may win).
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