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PostPosted: Sun 22 Oct 2017 3:21 pm 
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I would really appreciate if anyone of you could give a brief explanation or give a resource for the grammar with adjectives. This is another area in Irish which confuses me a lot. i know the basics such as a female adjective is lenitated and a plural adjective gets an extra "a" or "e" in the nominative but not much else. how are adjectives beginning with vowels affected? why do some plural adjectives get lenitated? How do the adjectives change in different cases(genitive, dative)? why do some adjectives such as "sean" come before the noun?


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Oct 2017 11:30 pm 
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http://nualeargais.ie/gnag/adjekt1.htm

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how are adjectives beginning with vowels affected?


their 1st letter doesn't change.

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why do some plural adjectives get lenitated?


they get lenited after a nominative or dative plural noun that end with a slender consonant (exception: caoirigh).

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How do the adjectives change in different cases(genitive, dative)?


in the dative they are as in the nominative.
In the genitive plural they are as in the singular nominative if the noun itself has the same form as its singular nominative. If the noun has another form than its nominative singular (eg. if you add -annaī, -acha, -a, -aī etc), the adjective that follows it takes the same form as in the nominative plural.
Eg.

tithe na bhfear beag
toithe na ndaoinī maithe, na ndaoinī beaga...

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why do some adjectives such as "sean" come before the noun?


it has always been like that in the history of the language, and in Common Celtic. A few adjectives are prefixed. You even find the same ones in Welsh, Breton etc (sean- is hen- in Welsh). Droch- is drwg- in Welsh, and so on. They are prefixed adjectives. But there are very few of them anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Oct 2017 4:20 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
http://nualeargais.ie/gnag/adjekt1.htm

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how are adjectives beginning with vowels affected?


their 1st letter doesn't change.

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why do some plural adjectives get lenitated?


they get lenited after a nominative or dative plural noun that end with a slender consonant (exception: caoirigh).

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How do the adjectives change in different cases(genitive, dative)?


in the dative they are as in the nominative.
In the genitive plural they are as in the singular nominative if the noun itself has the same form as its singular nominative. If the noun has another form than its nominative singular (eg. if you add -annaī, -acha, -a, -aī etc), the adjective that follows it takes the same form as in the nominative plural.
Eg.

tithe na bhfear beag
toithe na ndaoinī maithe, na ndaoinī beaga...

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why do some adjectives such as "sean" come before the noun?


it has always been like that in the history of the language, and in Common Celtic. A few adjectives are prefixed. You even find the same ones in Welsh, Breton etc (sean- is hen- in Welsh). Droch- is drwg- in Welsh, and so on. They are prefixed adjectives. But there are very few of them anyway.


grma, but just another question: what if I have multiple adjectives to describe a noun
eg: "the big green square " or "the cats are small, nice and fat"
how would the adjectives work there?


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Oct 2017 6:19 pm 
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I'll leave the strict grammatical explanations to the experts, but here is what I'd say -

"the big green square" An chearnóg mhór ghlas Both mór and glas are lenited due to "cearnóg" being feminine.

""the cats are small, nice and fat" Tá na cait beag, deas agus ramhar (No changes here)

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Oct 2017 6:46 pm 
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Gumbi wrote:
I'll leave the strict grammatical explanations to the experts, but here is what I'd say -

"the big green square" An chearnóg mhór ghlas Both mór and glas are lenited due to "cearnóg" being feminine.

""the cats are small, nice and fat" Tá na cait beag, deas agus ramhar (No changes here)

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Tá na cait beag ramhar deas.
(gan "agus")


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If you're looking to buy something Nancy Stenson's books about Irish grammar are pretty good, if I remember correctly

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