No need to apologies. Which phrase do you mean?

There are two verbs in Irish for 'to be'; there's the substantive verb bí and the copula Is. But, they do not really stand alone. I don't know what you mean by omph by using the verb to be?

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By omph I just meant something a little more emphatic than just 'to come'. Something along the lines of 'to arise' or 'to exist'?

Oh, and I'm talking about the second phrase, "From her soul's breath, we are."

This is the phrase I need to adjust ( from "I" to "we") and the meaning I'm after is along the lines of "From the breath of her soul, we have risen."

ó hanáil a hanama, tagaimíd* 'from the breath of her soul, we come'.
ó hanáil a hanama, éirimíd* 'from the ..., we rise'.

*In the SL (Sean-litriú(ghadh)), the last i can be long, i.e. í. It suppose to be short in the CO (Caighdeán Oifigiúil), i.e. i, tagaimid - for some reason.

Cló Gaelach (Insular Script):

ó hanáil a hanama, tagaimíd
ó hanáil a hanama, éirimíd

As a side note the words anáil 'breath' and anam 'soul' are etymologically linked and come fro the same root.
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What would the past tense version of "we rise" be? Or alternatively, how would you say "we have risen?" Please?

CO: Ó hanáil a hanama, d'éiríomar 'from the breath of her soul, we rose'; i.e. past tense.


Irish doesn't really have a perfect past/ present (i.e. 'had /have risen') anymore, it died out c. 8/9th century.

-To express the sense of 'having done something': you can use tar-éis.*

(A) CO: Ó hanáil a hanama, táimid tar-éis éirí 'from the breath of her soul, we have risen'.

-To express the perfect past you add the suffix -ta/ -te/ -ithe/ -(a)tha, which one you chose depends if there are one or two syllables in the word and whether its palatal/ slender or broad.

(B) CO: Ó hanáil a hanama, táimid éirithe 'from the breath of her son, we had risen'.


(B) doesn't really work for me, I like (A) though.


*This phenomenon has been incorporated into Hiberno-English, e.g. Táim (díreach) tar-éis dul go dtí an siopa : I'm after going to the shop 'I have gone to the shop'.

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Thank you, thank you, Thank you!! I also like (A), it's exactly what I'm after.

'Ó hanáil...' Where's the 'h' coming from? It's new to me at any rate. Is it a Connacht or Munster thing? C.O. > 'Ó anáil...'.

It doesn't usually in Munster Irish, but it can occasionally:

"ó ... is like le in the insertion of n and h [before vowels]" (Seana-chaint na nDéise, pg. 33)

Must have been why I didn't think it was odd.

Ya, you are right. It definitely isn't in the standard.

I'm not sure about Connamara or Mayo Irish?

If not, it must have slipped in on account of the analogy with óna as that was a previous example.

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