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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov 2015 5:30 pm 
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Thank you in advance for any help on this :) I would also love to know if you are using the Donegal or Eastern dialect, and a pronunciation guide. Many, many thanks!


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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov 2015 10:08 pm 
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mandahxo wrote:
Thank you in advance for any help on this :) I would also love to know if you are using the Donegal or Eastern dialect, and a pronunciation guide. Many, many thanks!


When you say I am not a place, do you mean your body itself is not a place for cowards.

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I'm familiar with Munster Irish/ Gaolainn na Mumhan (GM) and the Official Standard/an Caighdeán Oifigiúil (CO)


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov 2015 1:27 am 
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This is the context of the quote:

I am earth. I am sun and skies.
I am the high road, the low road.
I am every poem about skin.
I am a world that cannot be explored 
in one day.
I am not a place for cowards.


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov 2015 6:24 pm 
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mandahxo wrote:
This is the context of the quote:

I am earth. I am sun and skies.
I am the high road, the low road.
I am every poem about skin.
I am a world that cannot be explored
in one day.
I am not a place for cowards.



Mise talamh. Mise grian is speireacha.
Mise an bóthar ard, an bóthar íseal.
Mise gach dán faoi chraiceann.
Mise domhan nach féidir a thaiscéaladh
in aon lá amháin.
Ní áit cladhairí mise.

Ní mise an áit cladhairí.

The bit you are asking for is in boldface.
Not sure if there's any specific Ulster way of saying this so wait on other opinions (áit do chladhairí perhaps??)

edited: see below


Last edited by MacBoo on Mon 16 Nov 2015 11:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov 2015 8:16 pm 
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Ah, that is beautiful!

Can I clarify what is the difference between the last two lines?

"Ní áit cladhairí mise." and "Ní mise áit cladhairí."

I'm obviously not great with my Gaelic, so does it have to do with how the grammar relates to the previous line?

And when I used an online translator I got "Níl mé áit le haghaidh cladhaire." Is that another dialect? I'm assuming you used either the Munster or the Standard?


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov 2015 11:00 pm 
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MacBoo wrote:
Ní áit cladhairí mise.
Ní mise áit cladhairí.

I'd say the first version is better.

Ní mise an áit cladhairí (I'm not the place for cowards) or
Ní mise áit na gcladhairí (I'm not the place for the cowards)
would be alright,
but:
Ní áit cladhairí mise. (I'm not a place for cowards)

mandahxo wrote:
Is that another dialect?


Yes, it’s Googlish ;) (or: Gúglais in Irish :))
It’s a word-for-word translation, impossible in Irish grammar.


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov 2015 11:44 pm 
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Yes surely.
I got carried away and forgot the article.
And just wrote it wrong.


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Nov 2015 5:36 pm 
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I don't like "an áit cladhairí". Of course, as well as the other two versions we could use the preposition instead of the genitive,

MacBoo wrote:

Not sure if there's any specific Ulster way of saying this so wait on other opinions (áit do chladhairí perhaps??)

There'd be nothing specifically Ulsterish about that -'twould be the norm, I suppose - but using the Ulster form fa choinne of the preposition faoi choinne would give it that Ulster blas

So: Ní áit fá choinne cladhairí mise


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Nov 2015 6:08 pm 
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I don't like "an áit cladhairí". Of course, as well as the other two versions we could use the preposition instead of the genitive.

MacBoo wrote:

Not sure if there's any specific Ulster way of saying this so wait on other opinions (áit do chladhairí perhaps??)

There'd be nothing specifically Ulsterish about that - 'twould be the norm, I suppose - but using the Ulster form fá choinne of the preposition faoi choinne would give it that Ulster blas

So: Ní áit fá choinne cladhairí mise

MacBoo wrote:
mandahxo wrote:
This is the context of the quote:

I am earth. I am sun and skies.

I am a world that cannot be explored
in one day.



[i]Mise talamh. Mise grian is speireacha.


Mise domhan nach féidir a thaiscéaladh
in aon lá amháin.


I think there may be identification vs classification sentence problems here. I'd say the definite article is understood in 'earth, sun and skies' , which would make it an identification sentence in Irish grammar terms. It's okay to omit the srticle in English, but I don't think we can in Irish - unless poetic licence says we can?. Or do we regard 'talamh', 'grian is spéartha' (CO) as proper nouns? On the other hand, 'I am a world that cannot be explored...' is clearly a classification sentence, and so would have to be 'Domhan mise nach féidir a thaiscéaladh ...'


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Nov 2015 6:39 pm 
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Errigal wrote:

I think there may be identification vs classification sentence problems here. I'd say the definite article is understood in 'earth, sun and skies' , which would make it an identification sentence in Irish grammar terms. It's okay to omit the srticle in English, but I don't think we can in Irish - unless poetic licence says we can?. Or do we regard 'talamh', 'grian is spéartha' (CO) as proper nouns? On the other hand, 'I am a world that cannot be explored...' is clearly a classification sentence, and so would have to be 'Domhan mise nach féidir a thaiscéaladh ...'


Thanks for the analysis Errigal.
Yes I thought about this as well, in fact my first draft had the article, but I removed it.

If I could have my time over again I think I would insert it. :GRMA:


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