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PostPosted: Wed 18 Nov 2015 2:00 pm 
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Our man in Brussels wrote:
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I don't understand why there's so much focus on this system at all when included in the course are recordings of native speakers saying everything.

It's not a big deal. I'll probably mostly ignore it, like most people seem to. The amount of complaints it draws could be because it's one of the first things presented to the reader and it doesn't make much sense. When someone's planning on spending a year working through a book, it kinda tarnishes the first impressions.

The main use I've had for phonetic transcriptions is to verify whether two similar sounding noises in the recordings are the same or different. (And if they use IPA then I can verify if the sound I heard is the same or different to a sound I know from English or another language.)



Yeah, I've found it pretty useful for the same reason. And I guess if you're familiar with lots of other languages, the IPA would be useful for comparisons- good point.

One thing that puzzles me a little is that I've seen people on this board distinguishing between the sounds made by broad dh and broad gh, whereas Ó Siadhail makes no such distinction, at least not in his transcription. Does anyone know anything about that? I sure can't hear a difference between them but then that's a very difficult sound for me to get a hold of.


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Nov 2015 3:21 pm 
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Dylan wrote:
One thing that puzzles me a little is that I've seen people on this board distinguishing between the sounds made by broad dh and broad gh, whereas Ó Siadhail makes no such distinction, at least not in his transcription. Does anyone know anything about that? I sure can't hear a difference between them but then that's a very difficult sound for me to get a hold of.

I've never noticed any difference between the two. All my sources treat them both as [ɣ] when broad and [j] when slender, which matches what I hear (to the extent that I can distinguish [ɣ] from [g], which has always been something of a challenge for me).


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Nov 2015 11:35 pm 
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One thing that puzzles me a little is that I've seen people on this board distinguishing between the sounds made by broad dh and broad gh


who makes a distinction? As far as I know, no living dialect makes a difference. There was a difference before the 12th century or so... but they've merged, and they've been identical for a long time...

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Nov 2015 3:40 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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One thing that puzzles me a little is that I've seen people on this board distinguishing between the sounds made by broad dh and broad gh


who makes a distinction? As far as I know, no living dialect makes a difference. There was a difference before the 12th century or so... but they've merged, and they've been identical for a long time...


As it happens, I dug up the thread where someone had made the distinction and, a few posts later, you yourself corrected them. Problem solved!


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