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 Post subject: Focal: 'ag pilleadh'
PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015 6:00 pm 
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I don't understand this use of - ag pilleadh. Apparently it means a failure, which doesn't seem to fit here. Another word that's not in the dictionary is: tinidh - is this a dialect form of tine ?

D'éirigh mé ar maidin go baoideach baoideach
Agus chuir mé síos tinidh bheag bhaoideach bhaoideach.
Scuab mé an t-urlár beag baoideach baoideach
Agus fuair mé sé pingne beag baoideach baoideach.

D'imigh mé chun an aonaigh go baoideach baoideach
Agus cheannaigh mé gabhar beag baoideach baoideach.
Ag pilleadh chun an bhaile domh go baoideach baoideach,
Tháinig mé ar thom beag baoideach baoideach sméar.

merci d'avance
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 Post subject: Re: Focal
PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015 6:58 pm 
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Ag pilleadh is a variant of ag filleadh (returning).

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 Post subject: Re: Focal
PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015 7:01 pm 
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franc 91 wrote:
I don't understand this use of - ag pilleadh. Apparently it means a failure, which doesn't seem to fit here. Another word that's not in the dictionary is: tinidh - is this a dialect form of tine ?

D'éirigh mé ar maidin go baoideach baoideach
Agus chuir mé síos tinidh bheag bhaoideach bhaoideach.
Scuab mé an t-urlár beag baoideach baoideach
Agus fuair mé sé pingne beag baoideach baoideach.

D'imigh mé chun an aonaigh go baoideach baoideach
Agus cheannaigh mé gabhar beag baoideach baoideach.
Ag pilleadh chun an bhaile domh go baoideach baoideach,
Tháinig mé ar thom beag baoideach baoideach sméar.

merci d'avance
Franc


I think "pilleadh" is a varient of "filleadh" "to return, or to come back".
"As I was returning home..."

baoideach - looks like a variant of "bídeach".

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 Post subject: Re: Focal
PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015 7:21 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Focal
PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015 7:26 pm 
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Bonsoir, franc. It's Donegal Irish. pilleadh = 'filleadh'; chun an bhaile = 'abhaile'; domh = dom'; tinidh (former dative), as you supposed = 'tine'.


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 Post subject: Re: Focal: 'ag pilleadh'
PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2015 6:35 pm 
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Another question -
In the first line, when he says 'D'éirigh mé ar maidin go baoideach baoideach' what does he mean exactly ? I understand that when you put 'go' in front of an adjective, it is predicative, so apparently that describe how he gets up - ie little by little ? or is he saying - early early in the morning ? or is it just there for the rhyme? When he lights the fire, does he do it little by little or is the fire itself that is tiny, tiny ? When he sweeps the floor, does he sweep just a tiny small part of it or is the floor itself very tiny? When he goes to the market , does he go very slowly or is the market tiny ? or perhaps it's all just simply repetition for the sake of the rhyme?


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 Post subject: Re: Focal: 'ag pilleadh'
PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2015 7:20 pm 
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Here's the rest of it -

'A ghabhair, gabh thusa chun an bhaile go bpiocaí mise mo thom beag baoideach baoideach sméar.'

'Ní rachaidh,' arsa an gabhar.

'A mhadaigh, gearr an gabhar, mur dtéidh an gabhar chun an abhaile, go bpiocaí mise mo thom beag baoideach baoideach (does that mean he wants the dog to cut the goat?)

'Ní ghearrfaidh', arsa an madadh.

'A rópa, croch an madadh, mur ngearraí an madadh an gabhar, mur dtéidh an gabhar chun an bhaile, go bpiocaí mise mo thom beag baoideach baoideach sméar.' (Does he want the rope to hang the dog?)

'Ní chrochfaifh,' arsa an rópa.

'A chorráin, gearr an rópa, mur gcrochaí an rópa an madadh, mur ngearraí an madadh an gabhar, mur dtéidh an gabhar chun an bhaile, go bpiocaí mise mo thom beag baoideach baoideach sméar.'

'Ní ghearrfaidh,' arsa an corrán.

'A thinidh, dóigh an corrán, mur ngearraí an corrán an rópa, mur gcrochaí an rópa an madadh, mur ngearraí an madadh an gabhar, mur dtéidh an gabhar chun an bhaile, go bpiocaí mise mo thom beag baoideach baoideach sméar.'

'Ní dhóififh,' arsa an tinidh.

'A uisce, báigh an tinidh, mur ndóighí an tinidh an corrán, mur ngearraí an corrán an rópa, mur gcrochaí an rópa an madadh, mur ngearraí an madadh an gabhar, mur dtéidh an gabhar chun an bhaile, go bpiocaí mise mo thom beag baoideach baoideach sméar.'

Ach, an deireadh a bhí air - nuair a thiompóigh sé thart, ní rabh an gabhar le feiceáil ar chor ar bith, agus nuair a chuaigh sé chun an bhaile bhí an gabhar ina sheasamh ag an doras ag fanacht leis.

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 Post subject: Re: Focal: 'ag pilleadh'
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franc 91 wrote:
Another question -
In the first line, when he says 'D'éirigh mé ar maidin go baoideach baoideach' what does he mean exactly ? I understand that when you put 'go' in front of an adjective, it is predicative, so apparently that describe how he gets up - ie little by little ? or is he saying - early early in the morning ? or is it just there for the rhyme? When he lights the fire, does he do it little by little or is the fire itself that is tiny, tiny ? When he sweeps the floor, does he sweep just a tiny small part of it or is the floor itself very tiny? When he goes to the market , does he go very slowly or is the market tiny ? or perhaps it's all just simply repetition for the sake of the rhyme?



I've never heard "go baoideach /go bídeach".
Usually it used with "beag" ... Tá sé beag bídeach - It's very small.
So I suppose it's mostly for the rhyme as you said, or "little by little". I don't know really.


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 Post subject: Re: Focal: 'ag pilleadh'
PostPosted: Mon 19 Oct 2015 5:30 am 
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franc 91 wrote:
'A mhadaigh, gearr an gabhar, mur dtéidh an gabhar chun an abhaile, go bpiocaí mise mo thom beag baoideach baoideach (does that mean he wants the dog to cut the goat?)


Yes, bite him I suppose. Although that is not the usual way we'd say it in Conamara.

franc 91 wrote:
A rópa, croch an madadh, mur ngearraí an madadh an gabhar, mur dtéidh an gabhar chun an bhaile, go bpiocaí mise mo thom beag baoideach baoideach sméar.' (Does he want the rope to hang the dog?)


Yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Focal: 'ag pilleadh'
PostPosted: Mon 19 Oct 2015 8:29 am 
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As Errigal says, this is from Donegal - I found it on the website The Spoken Irish of Rann na Feirste (www.rannnafeirste.com) and you can listen to John Ghráinne Ó Duibheannaigh reciting it. Apparently they published three books with CDs that are no longer available. I've mentioned this before on the forum and Loig said that he regretted not having bought them at the time. He's not alone. There's 'An áit a n-ólann an t-uan an bainne' Leabhar agus CD on sale at Siopa Gaeilge, though I don't know whether this is included in it.
I was looking for examples of what are known as 'cumulative' rhymes or songs in the oral tradition in Irish and this is one.


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