A chairde,

I was taken to task by another learner the other day for saying "tá fáilte romhat." He contends that it's Béarlachas, which I suppose is true, but it seems to me it's long and well-established Béarlachas that I've heard used by native speakers, as well as by fluent learners who are respectful of the language (and otherwise not inclined to Béarlachas). I'd like to get others' opinions on this phrase, le bhur dtoil.

Redwolf

I am pretty sure it was/is Béarlachas. I remember reading a thread explaining it. Sadly, I can't recall if it was on here, IGT, or some other forum. I'm going to do a search and try and find it.

Apparently, though, the 'correct' way is "go ndéana a mhaith duit" (cf a post by Lughaidh from 2005 on Daltaí na Gaeilge).

This thread might interest you, especially the part about how both FGB and EID show something else being used in response to 'thanks'

Thá sé anso agam!

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The question isn't so much "is it Béarlachas"...I don't think there's much doubt about that. The question more is, is it used by native speakers, and if so, is it therefore legitimate?

Redwolf

It's in Lesson 1 of Learning Irish by Mícheál Ó Siadhail, a book which seems fairly well-grounded in native speech, so I would guess that it is used by natives of Cois Fhairrge if not others as well. From the introduction: "...the vocabulary is that which might be expected from a native speaker who has assimilated a modicum of newly-coined terms."

That's what I thought. Pisses me off that a new learner is giving out to me for using it. Probably the same kind of person who chides native speakers over using "carr" or "fón."

Redwolf

That thread is interesting. It also puts 'tá fáilte romhat' back at least as far as the 1930s.

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That thread reminds me why I never go to Daltaí.

Redwolf

Tá fáilte romhat - somewhere at the back of my mind is a memory that we used to say Go gcuitidh (gcuitifidh?)
Dia gduit é (May God reward you with its measure)

Go gcuití Dia...?

Aye, tá fáilte romhat is an Anglicism, but since many Gaeltacht speakers say it, to me it's acceptable (wouldn't be the case if only learners used it).
You can answer tá fáilte romhat, ná habair é (other Anglicism), go ndéana(idh) a mhaith duit, ná lig ar d'anáil é...

Carr is a Celtic word that English has borrowed. And "fón" is an international word. It makes me laugh when learners avoid using words that *look* like loanwords, but at the same time all their sentences are translated word for word from English. The same happens with Breton among non-native speakers (which includes teachers, translators, writers etc)... Like 99% of the words they use have Celtic roots (and more than 50% of them are coined words that no native speaker understands), but their syntax and idioms are 99% French.

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