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 Post subject: Another song
PostPosted: Mon 12 May 2014 5:03 pm 
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This is a quotation from the book Connemara: A Little Kingdom by Tim Robinson

Tom Nan Choilm Ó Lochlainn of An Trá Bháin in Na hOileáin was at work at his poitín still one day, confident that there were no Gardaí nearer than An Tulaigh, when a crowd of them fell on him at dawn. Condemned to two months of prison and the miserable task of picking oakum (teasing old ropes apart for the fibres used in caulking boats), he amused himself by composing the song 'Ócum an Phríosúin,' of which this is the first verse:

Ó molaim sú na heorna go deo deo 'gus choíchin
Nach é an truaigh nach bhfuil tóir ag Rí Seoirse ar a dhéanamh
Seán Forde a bheith ina ghiúistís 's go gcomhairleodh sé na daoine
Mar 'sé a chuir mise ag foghlaim ar an ócum a spíonadh.

Oh I praise the juice of the barley, for ever and for ever
But isn't it a pity that King George has no taste for it
And Seán Forde is a justice and advisor to the people
For it's he who put me learning how to pick the oakum.

Here's a slighly different version, together with the chorus, but does anyone know the rest of this song?

Liadán - Sí Oakum a'Phríosúin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Eu51gy ... A265AC746C


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franc 91 wrote:
This is a quotation from the book Connemara: A Little Kingdom by Tim Robinson

Tom Nan Choilm Ó Lochlainn of An Trá Bháin in Na hOileáin was at work at his poitín still one day, confident that there were no Gardaí nearer than An Tulaigh, when a crowd of them fell on him at dawn. Condemned to two months of prison and the miserable task of picking oakum (teasing old ropes apart for the fibres used in caulking boats), he amused himself by composing the song 'Ócum an Phríosúin,' of which this is the first verse:

Ó molaim sú na heorna go deo deo 'gus choíchin
Nach é an truaigh nach bhfuil tóir ag Rí Seoirse ar a dhéanamh
Seán Forde a bheith ina ghiúistís 's go gcomhairleodh sé na daoine
Mar 'sé a chuir mise ag foghlaim ar an ócum a spíodadh.

Oh I praise the juice of the barley, for ever and for ever
But isn't it a pity that King George has no taste for it
And Seán Forde is a justice and advisor to the people
For it's he who put me learning how to pick the oakum.

Here's a slighly different version, together with the chorus, but does anyone know the rest of this song?

Liadán - Sí Oakum a'Phríosúin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Eu51gy ... A265AC746C


I've found a version in Leabhar Mór na hAmhrán. It's got about nine verses. I'll have a listen to the YouTube one tomorrow and see if they're the same, and if you like, I can type out the worlds.

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 Post subject: Re: Another song
PostPosted: Tue 13 May 2014 3:58 am 
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It's here at page 328 -

http://www.cumannchluainard.com/wp-cont ... -ceoil.pdf

A lot of other gems too.

A direct quote -

Molaim sú an ghráin eorna go deo deo 'gus a choíchín
Nach mairg nach mbíonn tóir ar Rí Seoirse ar a dhéanamh
Seán Ford a bheith ina ghiúistis, is é ’chomhairleodh na daoine
Mar is é chuir mise ag foghlaim le ócam a spíonadh

Is randa dideloram 'sé ócam an phríosúin
Go bhfága sú an ghráin eorna na hÓglaigh dá spíonadh

Is nach mise a bhíonn go brónach gach Domhnach is lá saoire,
'mo sheasamh amuigh sa ghairdín, istigh i bhfáinne is mé ag gabhail timpeall
Go sileann ó mo shúile sruth deor nuair a smaoinim
Gurb olc an obair Domhnaigh bheith i gcónaí ar an gcaoi seo

Is randa dideloram 'sé ócam an phríosúin
Go bhfága sú an ghráin eorna na hÓglaigh dá spíonadh

Is osclaíodh dom an stór a raibh ócam thar maoil ann
Is thug mé lán mo ghabhlach liom, mo dhóthain go ceann míosa,
Is nach mise a bhain gáire as an ngarda a bhí i mo thimpeall
Nuair a d'fhiafraigh mé den cheannfort cé air ar fhás an fionnach

Is randa dideloram 'sé ócam an phríosúin
Go bhfága sú an ghráin eorna na hÓglaigh dá spíonadh

Bhí mise maidin shamhraidh is mo leaba déanta síos agam
Nuair a chonaic mé an ceannfort 's é ag gluaiseacht go dtí mé.
''Is b'in é an chaoi a bhfuil tusa, is an méid atá le déanamh?
Do dhá láimh i do phóca is ócam le spíonadh?''

Is randa dideloram 'sé ócam an phríosúin
Go bhfága sú an ghráin eorna na hÓglaigh dá spíonadh

Céard a deir tú le Mac Uí Lochlainn a chuaigh a chodladh dó go suaimhneach,
Nuair a d'ionsaigh na luchain a chuid ícaim san oíche.
Is maidin lá arna mhárach, bhí an ceannfort á inseacht
ó, a dhiabhail, a deir an gobharnóir, ''tá an diabhail uilig déanta.''

Is randa dideloram 'sé ócam an phríosúin
Is nach bhfága sú an ghráin eorna na hÓglaigh dá spíonadh

Crossed with Redwolf :)

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 Post subject: Re: Another song
PostPosted: Tue 13 May 2014 4:04 am 
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The one in the book is ever so slightly different, mainly in the ordering of the verses, but also in wording here and there. I'll post it tomorrow for comparison.

This book is quite a treasure, by the way! It was worth the cost of having it shipped from Ireland (It's a huge, hardbound book...almost 900 pages!)

http://www.siopagaeilge.ie/products/Amh ... t25-18.htm

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Redwolf wrote:
The one in the book is ever so slightly different, mainly in the ordering of the verses, but also in wording here and there. I'll post it tomorrow for comparison.

This book is quite a treasure, by the way! It was worth the cost of having it shipped from Ireland (It's a huge, hardbound book...almost 900 pages!)

http://www.siopagaeilge.ie/products/Amh ... t25-18.htm

Redwolf


That will be the correct/definitive version.
I have to get that book myself someday.

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 Post subject: Re: Another song
PostPosted: Tue 13 May 2014 5:18 am 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
The one in the book is ever so slightly different, mainly in the ordering of the verses, but also in wording here and there. I'll post it tomorrow for comparison.

This book is quite a treasure, by the way! It was worth the cost of having it shipped from Ireland (It's a huge, hardbound book...almost 900 pages!)

http://www.siopagaeilge.ie/products/Amh ... t25-18.htm

Redwolf


That will be the correct/definitive version.
I have to get that book myself someday.


Possibly...though I'd say there are always more versions of songs out there than they can put in a book. I know there are verses I know to some of these songs that didn't make the cut.

What's great about this book is the commentary...it's really a terrific resource. There's no music in it...it's just lyrics. Lots of great photos of some of the great sean-nós singers as well. I'm really glad I bought it.

It's a Cló Iar-Chonnacht book, and they sometimes offer discounts on their own stuff at their shop, if you can get to Indreabhán. I had a field day there when I first visited Ireland in 2008!


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 Post subject: Re: Another song
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
That will be the correct/definitive version.
I have to get that book myself someday.

It's quite a good book, there is a section on the history and origins of all of the songs at the back of it.

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ah if only everyone who went to prison made such great use of the new found free time.

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 Post subject: Re: Another song
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Here's the version from Leabhar Mór na hAmhráin. It's only moderately different from the one Bríd posted, but here it is for comparison.

If you spot typos, tell me. They're most likely mine, and I will check and correct them.

Ócam an Phríosúin
Tom Neain Choilm Ó Lochlainn

Ó, molaim sú na heorna go deo deo gus choíchin,
Nach é an truaigh nach bhfuil tóir ag Rí Seoirse ar a dhéanamh,
Seán Forde a bheith ina ghiúistís 's go gcomhairleodh sé na doaine,
Mar sé a chuir mise ag foghlaim ar an ócam a spíonadh.

Curfá:
Ram-de-didle-óram, sé ócam an phríosúin,
'S go bhfágfaidh sú na heorna na hÓglaigh dhá spíonadh.


Osclaíodh dhomsa stór a raibh ócam thar maoil ann,
Thug mé lan mo ghabháil liom, mo dhóthain go ceann míosa,
Is mise a bhain an gáire as an ngarda a bhí i mo thimpeall,
Nuair a d'fhiafraigh mé den cheannport cé air as fhás an fionnach?

Curfá

Shílfeá gur barrach a baineadh den líon é,
Nárbh olc é mo ghean an an tseanbhean a shníomh é,
Mheáigh sí sna scálaí ina mhálaí breá cruinn é,
É sin, nó leis na carlaí, scall sí sa ngeimhreadh é.

Curfá

Oíche a raibh Mac Uí Lochlainn ina chodladh go suaimhneach,
Nár ionsaigh na luchain a chuid ócam san oíche,
Ar mailin lá arna mháireach bhí an warder á inseacht,
"By dad," adeir an gobharnóir, "tá an deabhal uilig déanta agat!"

Curfá

Muise, is mise a bhíonns go tuirseach ag tochras 's ag sníomhadh,
Ag obair don eochróir a bhfuil eochair aige is míle,
Go ndúinfeadh sé doirse agus glais na hÉireann,
Go gcuirfeadh sé na stiléaraí is na tincéaraí i ngéibheann.

Curfá

Is mise a bhíonns go brónach gach Domhnach is lá saoire,
Ag siúl amuigh sa ngairdín istigh i bhfáinne is mé ag goil timpeall,
'S go sileann mo chuid súile i gcónaí nuair a chuimhním
Gur deas an obair Domhnaigh a bheith i gcónaí ar an gcaoi seo.

Curfá

Tarraingeofar sú na heorna fós ins an ísleán,
Beidh gloine againn le n-ól ann, amhráin agus rince,
Beidh an pota againn 's an dabhach is beidh an chabhair ag teacht timpeall,
Beidh gloine againn le n-ól, beidh ár gcuid ócam dhá spíonadh.

Curfá

Ach má chuirfear ceist go deo ort cén jab is deacra a dhéanamh,
Ab é a ghoil ag spíonadh an ócaim nó Cuan an Fhir Mhóir a thaoscadh?

Curfá

Tá fataí agus prátaí i ngairdín an phríosúin,
Daoine le haghaidh iad a lánadh le fáil ón nGarda Síochán',
'S go bhfuil crann torthaí ag fás ann, airní agus spíonáin,
Siúd é thríd an arm é máistir na híocaíocht.

Curfá

Here's the commentary from the "notes" area of the book:

321. Ócam an Phríosúin

Cóil Neane Pháidín Mac Donncha, Pluid Dhorcha Leára (CIC 017)

Tá an t-amhrán seo ar an amhrán is cáiliúla de chuid Tom Neaine Choilm Uí Lochlainn (1903-65), mac le Micil Pheadair Mhóir Mac Lochlainn agus Neaine Choilm Con Rí as Bun an Charnáin in aice leis an Trá Bháin i gConamara. Rugadh air geábh agus ar a leasathair, Pádhraic Mhicilín Bhríd Mhichíl, ag déanamh poitín, agus cuireadh príosún ar an mbeirt acu. is cosúil, áfach, nár chuir an giúistís, Seán Mac Giollarnáth (1880-1970), nó Seán Forde mar ab fhearr aithne air, an bheirt acu i bpríosún in éineacht agus gur tugadh cead dóibh na téarmaí príosúnachta a dhéanamh duine i ndiaidh a chéile, mar nach bhféadfadh Neaine Choilm Con Rí a muirín a chothú d'uireasa na beirte. Ba ag spíonadh ócaim a bhídis sa bpríosún -- rud a d'fhag cruth an amhráin oibre ar an amhrán seo -- agus spreagann an cheird seo an acmhainn ghrinn ann. Is cosúil go dtáinig sé abhaile agus an t-amhrán déanta aige. Rinne Tom Neaine Choilm amhráin eile freisin, "A ghadaí a ghoid mo phíopa" agus "Amhrán an tslat iascaigh" i measc "Eachtraí Mhuintir Tam," a cuireadh i gcló ar an nuachtáin Ar Aghaidh idir 1937 agus 1940 agus a foilsíodh i bhfoirm leabhair ina dhiaidh sin: Tomás Ó Lochlainn, Máirtín Mac Donnchadha, Seán Ó Morónaigh, Eachtraí Mhuintir Tam (1980)

-- Ciarán Ó Con Cheanainn


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