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 Post subject: Thanksgiving
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 7:00 pm 
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I'm trying to remember...is there (or have we ever come up with) an Irish name for the Canadian and U.S. holidays of "Thanksgiving"?

Does anyone have any information on harvest practices in Ireland (either ancient or modern)? Most cultures have some kind of harvest celebration, and I'm wondering if Samhain pretty much filled that role for the Gaels, or if other forms of harvest festival have arisen.

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 Post subject: Re: Thanksgiving
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 7:02 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
I'm trying to remember...is there (or have we ever come up with) an Irish name for the Canadian and U.S. holidays of "Thanksgiving"?

Does anyone have any information on harvest practices in Ireland (either ancient or modern)? Most cultures have some kind of harvest celebration, and I'm wondering if Samhain pretty much filled that role for the Gaels, or if other forms of harvest festival have arisen.

GRMA!

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According to potafocal it's Lá Altaithe http://www.potafocal.com/Search.aspx?Text=thanksgiving

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 Post subject: Re: Thanksgiving
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 9:38 pm 
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FGB gives altú on its own for Thanksgiving, but this may be just in a general sense rather than the day. It's hard to tell, as the first English translation is always given with an uppercase letter in FGB. Following that, translations use lowercase throughout unless there's a full sentence or there's another numbered meaning.

Anyway, Lá Altaithe looks good. I would know altú from altú roimh bhia - grace before meals.


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 Post subject: Re: Thanksgiving
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 9:59 pm 
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Here's a passage I copied from somewhere about harvest customs and farming customs in general. Might make a nice translation exercise for your students, a Red.

Nósanna an Fhómhair (An Draoi Rua)

Bhí nósanna áirithe agus piseoga éagsúla bainte leis an fhómhair. Gan amhras, bhí an teaghlach is a chomharsana páirteach inti. Baineadh an Fhómhair agus iad ag cloígh leis na nósanna mar a bhí déanta roimhe ar eagla na heagla go mbeadh tubaiste úafásach ann. Chreid daoine go raibh dualgas orthu na rudaí seo a chomhlíonadh díreach mar a rinne a sinsear nó teipfeadh ar an Fhómhair agus bheadh siad i gcruachás agus ocrach thar an gheimhreadh. Is íontach an rud é ach feictear go raibh na traidisiúin céanna le fáil ins sna tíortha Ceilteacha ar fad i dtaobh bailiú arbhair. Ní thig liom sainmhíniú a thabhairt ar cad chuige a raibh na nósanna céanna acu sa Bhriotain go hAlban ach amháin le rá gur Ceiltigh iad uilig. Ar ndóigh, is cinnte gurb é an t-arbhair an planda is mó agus is coitianta a d’fhásadh sna tíortha seo.

Ní amháin sin ach bhrath siad ar Fhómhair an arbhair beagnach go hiomlán óir ní raibh an réimse céanna glasraí acu agus atá ar fáil sa lá atá inniú ann. Bhí duine ar leith roghnaithe leis an chéad phunann arbhair a bhaint ach creidtear go raibh i bhfad níos mó tábhacht ag baint leis an phunann deireannach sa pháirc. Deirtear go raibh ádh ar leith bainte leis an obair agus diasanna arbhair á chaitheamh ag daoine ina gcuid hátaí nó ina gcriosanna. Lena chois sin, ba dheas an rud é “bail ó Dhia ar an obair!” a chluinstin ó thaistealaithe ar an bhóthar. Leoga, le linn d’oibrithe a bheith ag baint an Fhómhair, dá mbeadh ainmhí aonair ná éan áirithe le feiceáil ag teitheadh, creidfear gurb í spiorad na páirce ag imeacht as. Bhí spiorad arbhair féin le fáil ins sa phunann dheireannach. Cuireadh `cailleach’ uirthi de ghnáth. Toghadh an duine is sine nó an girseach is óige leis an chuid seo a bhaint. Ós rud é go raibh spiorad arbhair inti ar fad, ní raibh cead ligint don phunann seo titim go talamh riamh.

Maise, dá mbeadh duine ag iarraidh drochádh a tharraingt ar dhuine caitheamh an phunann seo ar thalamh s’aigesen. Chomh luath agus a bhí an `cailleach’ bainte, thosaigh an céiliúradh. Bhíodh rogha gach bí is togtha gach dí ar fáil agus bhíodh an suíochán is fearr ar fáil don té a bhain an “cailleach”. Tá sé thuasluaite agam nach raibh cead ligint don cailleach titim go talamh. Caitheadh uisce ar an chailleach agus tógadh isteach í. In áiteanna áirithe rinneadh babóg di agus d’fhanadh sí sa teach thar an Gheimhreadh. Ag brath ar an cheantar, rinneadh rudaí áirithe san Earrach:

1. Cuireadh an cailleach leis an síol agus páirceanna á chur.

2. Tugadh an `cailleach’ mar bhia don chapall Lá Fhéile Bhríde nó nuair a bhí an talamh le treabh.

3. Tugadh an babóg do bhean óg a bhí le pósadh an bhliain sin.

4. Rinneadh suaitheantais tórthúlachta den chailleach.

B’í an rud a bhí ann ná gur chreid na daoine go raibh sé riachtanach go mbeadh deis ag spiorad an arbhair filleadh ar ais chuig an talaimh ar dhóigh éigin nó go dtugfar tórthúlacht éigin ar ais don phobal. Níl amhras ar bith ann ná go bhfuil tionchar mhór phágántachta le sonrú sna traidisúin seo rud a léiríonn chomh ársa is atá siad. Ar ndóigh, maireann na nósanna agus na piseoga seo i gcuimhne daoine amháin sa lá inniu agus an oiread sin “forbairt teicneolaíochta” déanta. Creidim féin go raibh i bhfad níos mó measa ag daoine ar a gcuid nuair a bhí sé le baint acu féin, ach nuair is féidir rogha fairsing a fháil go flúirseach san ollmhargadh cailltear an násc leis an dúlra.

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 Post subject: Re: Thanksgiving
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 10:04 pm 
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And here are some Thanksgiving-related food terms, even though it;s not a traditional Irish hooliday:

turcaí turkey
mónóga cranberries
búiste stuffing
súlach gravy
prátaí potatoes
arán arbhair corn bread
tornapa turnip
piseanna peas

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 Post subject: Re: Thanksgiving
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 10:07 pm 
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CaoimhínSF wrote:
pis peas
piseanna - I presume you'll have more than just the one! :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Thanksgiving
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 10:09 pm 
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CaoimhínSF wrote:
prátai
Fada M.I.A. - prátaí

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 Post subject: Re: Thanksgiving
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Corrections made. That's what I get for copying something from elsewhere without reading it carefully. I think that info came originally from a post at the "old forum".

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 Post subject: Re: Thanksgiving
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CaoimhínSF wrote:
Corrections made. That's what I get for copying something from elsewhere without reading it carefully. I think that info came originally from a post at the "old forum".
Clearly, we have higher standards over here! :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Thanksgiving
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In FGB, I encountered "Prátaí Spainneacha" (Spanish Potatoes) for Sweet Potatoes...that's an interesting one!

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