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 Post subject: Damascus
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 8:10 am 
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Is there an Irish spelling of this Syrian/biblical city? I would expect that it would just be spelled "Damascus," but you never know. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Damascus
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 9:33 am 
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In what I have read in Munster Irish, it is Damascus. It could be different in the literature of other dialects.

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 Post subject: Re: Damascus
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 9:34 am 
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 12:28 pm 
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An Damaisc


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 Post subject: Re: Damascus
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 12:51 pm 
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Thanks much for your prompt replies!

Is there an easy answer to the mechanic that converts "scus" into "aisc?"

I suppose I'd venture a guess that it's a phonetic mechanism?


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 Post subject: Re: Damascus
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Damascus is a Latin word. Now I don't know how it could become -aisc in Irish, it should have become "-asc" (-aisc would come from Latin -ascia or -ascis or -ascius: an -i- is needed in the ending to make an s and a c slender).

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 Post subject: Re: Damascus
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Damaisc was the dative of Damascus in the Bardic Standard (or Classical Irish or Early Modern Irish, whatever one wants to call it).
The Caighdeán commonly uses old datives as nominatives, so perhaps this is the origin?

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 Post subject: Re: Damascus
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 6:24 pm 
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Scooby wrote:
An Damaisc

:yes: Although "English-Irish Dictionary" by The Talbot Press Limited, an old dictionary with a nice list of place names in the middle, gives Damaisc without the article, an Bíobla Naofa confirms Scooby's an Damaisc with the article at Isea 17:1 and an Dara Leabhar Shamúéil 8:6 (Isiah 17:1 and 2 Samuel 8:6).

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Damascus is a Latin word. Now I don't know how it could become -aisc in Irish, it should have become "-asc" (-aisc would come from Latin -ascia or -ascis or -ascius: an -i- is needed in the ending to make an s and a c slender).

The local name for the place is Dimashq, so in this case the Irish version is closer to the original than the Latin. :prof:

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 Post subject: Re: Damascus
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Damaisc was the dative of Damascus in the Bardic Standard (or Classical Irish or Early Modern Irish, whatever one wants to call it).


it's surprising, because the masculine dative of nouns is never formed by making the last consonant(s) slender. That's rather something that happens with feminine nouns (2nd declension). Almost no masculine noun changes in the dative case in Modern Irish (I can think of 1 example: teach which becomes toigh in Ulster in the dative).

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 Post subject: Re: Damascus
PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 9:18 pm 
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دمشق‎

http://www.forvo.com/word/%D8%AF%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%82/#ar


But the town is called الشام‎ / ash-Shām in Syria

http://www.forvo.com/word/%D8%A7%D9%84% ... %D9%85/#ar


(thanks to Forvo and Wikipedia) :D

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