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PostPosted: Fri 16 May 2025 4:34 pm 
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From an tOileánach:

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níl aon scéal ag teacht ach scéal is fearr ná a chéile


The English is 'the news is always getting worse'. But I would think it would be 'the news is getting better', literally 'no story is coming but a story better than the [its] last'. Can someone help explain this?

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PostPosted: Fri 16 May 2025 8:48 pm 
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Séamus O'Neill wrote:
From an tOileánach:

Quote:
níl aon scéal ag teacht ach scéal is fearr ná a chéile


The English is 'the news is always getting worse'. But I would think it would be 'the news is getting better', literally 'no story is coming but a story better than the [its] last'. Can someone help explain this?


I'd think:
The first part is negated (níl aon scéal ag teacht),
the second part (ach ...) is kind of a restriction:
No story will come, if one story is better than the other.
So, those stories that really come instead are: worse.


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PostPosted: Fri 16 May 2025 8:58 pm 
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Séamus O'Neill wrote:
From an tOileánach:

Quote:
níl aon scéal ag teacht ach scéal is fearr ná a chéile


The English is 'the news is always getting worse'. But I would think it would be 'the news is getting better', literally 'no story is coming but a story better than the [its] last'. Can someone help explain this?



You’re right, but -

I had a look at the context, and it’s actually (more) bad news, so “is fear ná a chéile” is being used ironically. We do it in English too. We get another piece of bad news and say “It just gets better and better”.


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PostPosted: Fri 16 May 2025 9:04 pm 
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Errigal wrote:

The English is 'the news is always getting worse'. But I would think it would be 'the news is getting better', literally 'no story is coming but a story better than the [its] last'. Can someone help explain this?



You’re right, but -

I had a look at the context, and it’s actually (more) bad news, so “is fear ná a chéile” is being used ironically. We do it in English too. We get another piece of bad news and say “It just gets better and better”.[/quote]

I like Errigal's explanation. It has the ring of accuracy to it.


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PostPosted: Fri 16 May 2025 9:56 pm 
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Séamus O'Neill wrote:
From an tOileánach:
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níl aon scéal ag teacht ach scéal is fearr ná a chéile
The English is 'the news is always getting worse'.

Is dóigh liom gur ag magadh atá sí, gurb íoróin atá ar siúl aici. Féach cuid den chaibidil a 4 de "Shéadna":
"Gobnait. —(…) Caithfead féin sgéal a dh’innsint dóibh.
Nóra. —"Níor chás duit!"
Duairt Nóra nár chás do Ghobnait é, ach ní baol ná gur mheas sí a rá gurbh é an t-athrach dob' fhíor.

Tá ceist eile agam ort, áfach, mar gheall ar an abairt a scríobh Tomás roimis an gceann a chuireas féin id phost síos: … "agus is dócha go mbeidh an t‑oileán so ar bheagán tighthe tráthnóna."
Ar mhiste leat do mhíniú dhom cad é an bhrí atá leis an bhfocal so 'bheith ar' atá ann? Tá eolas agam ar fhocal eile den tsórd san, mar shampla: "tá sé ar an ngarsún is fearr sa rang". Ach ní mheasaim gur mar a chéile iad.


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PostPosted: Fri 16 May 2025 10:27 pm 
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Gramadach na Gaeilge:

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Classification sentence without copula (part of a set): tá sé ar na fir is mó = he is one of the greatest men
Identification sentence without copula
(with superlative): tá sé ar an bhfear is mó acu = he is the bigger/biggest man of them
(with ordinal numbers): the 1st, 2nd, 3rd ... his : bhí sé ar an dara fear a tháinig = he was the 2nd man who came


I assume that here the use of the preposition in this way has just become more generalised.

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PostPosted: Fri 16 May 2025 10:36 pm 
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Frása fé leith is ea "ar bheagán". Ní ghabhann sé leis an "bheith" a sheasaíonn roimis.

Féach anso le mórán samplaí den tsórd san:
https://www.teanglann.ie/en/fgb/ar_bheag%c3%a1n


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PostPosted: Sat 17 May 2025 8:27 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
Frása fé leith is ea "ar bheagán". Ní ghabhann sé leis an "bheith" a sheasaíonn roimis.
Go raibh maith agat, a Dhavid! Tuigim anois é. (Nó samhlaítear dom go dtuigim ar aon chuma.)


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Gréasaghas wrote:
djwebb2021 wrote:
Frása fé leith is ea "ar bheagán". Ní ghabhann sé leis an "bheith" a sheasaíonn roimis.
Go raibh maith agat, a Dhavid! Tuigim anois é. (Nó samhlaítear dom go dtuigim ar aon chuma.)


It means the idiom is "ar bheagán X" as a whole. This has nothing to do with "bheith ar an nduine is ísle", etc. Ar bheagan - means with little of something. Ar bheagán cúise - for no real reason, with little reason.


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PostPosted: Sun 18 May 2025 6:59 pm 
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Thank you. I definitely understand it now. It's bheith + prepositional phrase + genetive (or de + dative), like e.g. "bheith i ngátar (bídh)".


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