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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2024 12:57 am 
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Dia daoibh!
I have a question about intercardinal directions.
I understood/understand most of it, but I found a couple of things online that started to confuse me.
From a few sources, I learned that the proper way to form the adjective version of intercardinals is…
thoir thuaidh (e.g an oifig thoir thuaidh)
thoir theas
thiar thuaidh
thiar theas


But while researching something unrelated I found a website (https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Irish/R ... Directions) that says to form them like…
thoir aduaidh (e.g. an oifig thoir aduaidh)
thoir aneas, etc…

And to complicate matters, another website (https://toingaeilge.com/post/1902151088 ... s-movement) seems to agree AND state that even the intercardinal “toward” directions of motion are formed like…
soir aduaidh
But I learned elsewhere that it should be…
soir ó thuaidh

Needless to say, I am now very befuddled. Can anyone shed some light on this. Are both ways correct? Is one preferred over the other? Thank you!


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2024 1:08 am 
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All of the correct forms are here on Lars's site: https://www.braesicke.de/adverb.htm

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2024 1:24 am 
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Thank you! I was actually just on that site two minutes ago and finally across the answer to my own question on there…apparently the alternate versions that were confusing me are a dialectal thing (Cois Fharraige).

Whew. :D

It says that in that region, people tend to use the “a-” versions in the intercardinals (for the N/S part) regardless of perspective or direction.
So I guess…
aniar aneas = from the southwest
siar aneas = toward the southwest
thiar aneas = adjective describing the location of a place/thing in the southwest

Thank you for the link!


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2024 7:48 am 
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Rosie_Oleary wrote:
Thank you! I was actually just on that site two minutes ago and finally across the answer to my own question on there…apparently the alternate versions that were confusing me are a dialectal thing (Cois Fharraige).

Whew. :D

It says that in that region, people tend to use the “a-” versions in the intercardinals (for the N/S part) regardless of perspective or direction.
So I guess…
aniar aneas = from the southwest
siar aneas = toward the southwest
thiar aneas = adjective describing the location of a place/thing in the southwest

Thank you for the link!


Where did you find that? Is that in Ó Siadhail's Learning Irish?


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2024 8:40 am 
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Yes, so in Learning Irish.

I wrote on my page (here translated to English):
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aduaidh and aneas are used there (= Cois Fharraige) in compound directions, regardless of the direction: e.g.: siar aduaidh = to the northwest, thoir aneas = in the southeast


btw:
Here I put all cardinal, inter-cardinal and intermediate directions of the compass (but in Standard Irish)
https://www.braesicke.de/comp.htm


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2024 8:46 am 
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Labhrás, some of those things are a bit theoretical. How often do Gaeltacht natives discuss something being north-north-west of somewhere? Arguably, those terms were all made up in Dublin.


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