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 Post subject: 25 is dóbair
PostPosted: Fri 02 Jun 2023 10:13 pm 
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Under dóbair in Cnósach Focal ó BB:
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cúig fichead is dóbair

This obviously relates to the card game 25, which Wikipedia says is Ireland's national card game, also called Five Trumps. Under dóbair in Dinneen's dictionary, this is glossed as "my score is 25 and I was on the verge of making game" or something like that.

This is difficult to understand, particularly why Dinneen thought this was past tense. Surely it means "I've got 25 points and so am on the verge of winning". But surely if he had 25 points, he would have already won?

Does anyone know how to play card games? Cluiche a dhéanamh, glossed in Ó Dónaill, as "to make a game", is also hard to understand, because I don't play cards and have never heard this lingo. Does this just mean "to win a game"?


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 Post subject: Re: 25 is dóbair
PostPosted: Sat 03 Jun 2023 3:29 pm 
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I'm thinking the meaning is: 25 points - and so I win.


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 Post subject: Re: 25 is dóbair
PostPosted: Mon 12 Jun 2023 12:52 pm 
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Note fichead based counting (over is fiche and ar fhichid) is typical of card games and giving ages.

There's quite a lot of specialised vocabulary in card games and even phrases that look ungrammatical if you're not used to them. I'll come back to post more later.

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 Post subject: Re: 25 is dóbair
PostPosted: Mon 12 Jun 2023 4:23 pm 
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I'd never heard of 25 before as "Ireland's national card game". So this whole subject is a new one on me.


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