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 Post subject: question on vifax
PostPosted: Mon 30 Jan 2023 8:12 pm 
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I've listened to the first vifax recording in the category Aimsir, entitled Stoirm Barra. The transcription has: Bord Soláthair an Leictreachais go dtógfaidh sé roinnt ama fós ar shruthanna línte a fheisiú sna ceantair ina bhfuil stádas aimsire dearg, de dheasca na drochaimsire.

Ignoring the fact that fheisiú should be dheisiú, what is "sruthanna línte"? Does it mean "lines of electrical current", i.e. power lines? Maybe sruthlínte would be better? Actually línte cumhachta would make even more sense?

See https://vifax.maynoothuniversity.ie/cartlann/aimsir/

Listening to the video many times, at 01:15, I think it is not "ar shruthanna línte", but rather "ar seónna línte a dheisiú" to repair large numbers of (power)lines? But I'm not sure.


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 Post subject: Re: question on vifax
PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2023 2:30 am 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
I've listened to the first vifax recording in the category Aimsir, entitled Stoirm Barra. The transcription has: Bord Soláthair an Leictreachais go dtógfaidh sé roinnt ama fós ar shruthanna línte a fheisiú sna ceantair ina bhfuil stádas aimsire dearg, de dheasca na drochaimsire.

Ignoring the fact that fheisiú should be dheisiú, what is "sruthanna línte"? Does it mean "lines of electrical current", i.e. power lines? Maybe sruthlínte would be better? Actually línte cumhachta would make even more sense?

See https://vifax.maynoothuniversity.ie/cartlann/aimsir/

Listening to the video many times, at 01:15, I think it is not "ar shruthanna línte", but rather "ar seónna línte a dheisiú" to repair large numbers of (power)lines? But I'm not sure.


It sounds to me as if she's saying "ar shruthanna". I agree with you though, if the meaning is what you think it is, that "sruthlínte" would be right. They could be assigning some other nuance or meaning to it.

"feisiú" could be a mistype, maybe "feistiú".

So that entire phrase could mean "fixing the (power) flow"?


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 Post subject: Re: question on vifax
PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2023 2:38 am 
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The reason why I think it is dheisiú is that this means fix, and the slender dh is pronounced like a y, so dheisiú is quite close to fheisiú. I've never come across feistiú, but then that has a t in it. That's a useful word that I'll probably remember now.

Of course, in all impromptu broadcasts, there can be indistinct passages that are difficult for even a native speaker to transcribe for sure. I can't guarantee to be able to transcribe everything I hear on the English telly. So maybe the shruthanna bit will always be a bit unclear here.

Shruthanna should be pronounced hruthana - is that what you hear here? I think there is a slender s, and no medial h in what I hear, which is why I thought it was seónna.

But I may be wrong. Thank you for replying and going to the trouble of listening to it.


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 Post subject: Re: question on vifax
PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2023 5:22 am 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
The reason why I think it is dheisiú is that this means fix, and the slender dh is pronounced like a y, so dheisiú is quite close to fheisiú. I've never come across feistiú, but then that has a t in it. That's a useful word that I'll probably remember now.

Of course, in all impromptu broadcasts, there can be indistinct passages that are difficult for even a native speaker to transcribe for sure. I can't guarantee to be able to transcribe everything I hear on the English telly. So maybe the shruthanna bit will always be a bit unclear here.

Shruthanna should be pronounced hruthana - is that what you hear here? I think there is a slender s, and no medial h in what I hear, which is why I thought it was seónna.

But I may be wrong. Thank you for replying and going to the trouble of listening to it.


You may be right. I can only offer some theories as my listening comprehension is not so good. I wonder if there is any way to contact the broadcasters or Maynooth directly and ask.

By the way, that's a great link for improving listening skills.


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 Post subject: Re: question on vifax
PostPosted: Thu 02 Feb 2023 10:03 am 
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I isolated that audio, cleaned it up, slowed it down, changed pitch, etc. and what you offered above sounds exactly what she is saying.


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 Post subject: Re: question on vifax
PostPosted: Thu 02 Feb 2023 8:14 pm 
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I'd like the vifax thread to remain open for further discussion.

In the Aimsir section of vifax, the 2nd video is Soineann nó Doineann. The transcript shows someone says " lá gaofar le coinníollacha stoirmiúla uaireanta". I know coinníoll means "condition" in the sense of "a condition or stipulation; on condition that". But "stormy conditions" is a different meaning of "condition" in English. De Bhaldraithe translates "weather conditions" as simply "an aimsir". Is this Béárlachas, and if it is, could it be considered nativised if large numbers of native speakers use it, maybe???


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 Post subject: Re: question on vifax
PostPosted: Wed 19 Apr 2023 7:03 pm 
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Having come across some horrible videos on vifax with non-native presenters, I stumbled today on An Aimsir Láithreach, the 5th one from the top at https://vifax.maynoothuniversity.ie/cartlann/aimsir/ The speaker is Irial Ó Ceallaigh, from the An Rínn Gaeltacht. His video is marked as árdleibhéal, not because it is any harder linguistically than others on the page, but because it is in Munster Irish...


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 Post subject: Re: question on vifax
PostPosted: Wed 19 Apr 2023 10:20 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
Having come across some horrible videos on vifax with non-native presenters, I stumbled today on An Aimsir Láithreach, the 5th one from the top at https://vifax.maynoothuniversity.ie/cartlann/aimsir/ The speaker is Irial Ó Ceallaigh, from the An Rínn Gaeltacht. His video is marked as árdleibhéal, not because it is any harder linguistically than others on the page, but because it is in Munster Irish...


The video itself is not marked árdleibhéal. If you click on the level markers they open an examples of exam papers. It's the exam paper which is considered árdleibhéal, not the content of the video.

The level markings, in fact, have nothing to do with the dialect or even the content of the video itself. As you can see, the video above, Rabhadh Gála, is bundled with bun and meánleibhéal exam papers, though it is presented by the same fellow, speaking the same standard of Irish.


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 Post subject: Re: question on vifax
PostPosted: Wed 19 Apr 2023 11:18 pm 
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Ade wrote:
djwebb2021 wrote:
Having come across some horrible videos on vifax with non-native presenters, I stumbled today on An Aimsir Láithreach, the 5th one from the top at https://vifax.maynoothuniversity.ie/cartlann/aimsir/ The speaker is Irial Ó Ceallaigh, from the An Rínn Gaeltacht. His video is marked as árdleibhéal, not because it is any harder linguistically than others on the page, but because it is in Munster Irish...


The video itself is not marked árdleibhéal. If you click on the level markers they open an examples of exam papers. It's the exam paper which is considered árdleibhéal, not the content of the video.

The level markings, in fact, have nothing to do with the dialect or even the content of the video itself. As you can see, the video above, Rabhadh Gála, is bundled with bun and meánleibhéal exam papers, though it is presented by the same fellow, speaking the same standard of Irish.

OK. The Rabhadh Gála video is just a mistake - it's the exact same video as the An Aimsir Láithreach and so they never uploaded the actual Rabhadh Gála video.


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 Post subject: Re: question on vifax
PostPosted: Thu 20 Apr 2023 7:35 am 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
Ade wrote:
djwebb2021 wrote:
Having come across some horrible videos on vifax with non-native presenters, I stumbled today on An Aimsir Láithreach, the 5th one from the top at https://vifax.maynoothuniversity.ie/cartlann/aimsir/ The speaker is Irial Ó Ceallaigh, from the An Rínn Gaeltacht. His video is marked as árdleibhéal, not because it is any harder linguistically than others on the page, but because it is in Munster Irish...


The video itself is not marked árdleibhéal. If you click on the level markers they open an examples of exam papers. It's the exam paper which is considered árdleibhéal, not the content of the video.

The level markings, in fact, have nothing to do with the dialect or even the content of the video itself. As you can see, the video above, Rabhadh Gála, is bundled with bun and meánleibhéal exam papers, though it is presented by the same fellow, speaking the same standard of Irish.

OK. The Rabhadh Gála video is just a mistake - it's the exact same video as the An Aimsir Láithreach and so they never uploaded the actual Rabhadh Gála video.


A fair observation.

I found watching the Aimsir Láithreach video that there was nothing particularly difficult about any of the language he was using. Granted, I grew up learning Irish in Munster, but the only particularly dialectal aspect that jumped out at me as being unlike what we were taught in school was the use of thá/athá. Nevertheless, it was clearly pronounced and seemed very well paced - not too fast, but also not so slow as to be unnatural, which can sometimes be the case with learning material. I'd be interested to know if you or others find it any more difficult than the other videos.


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