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 Post subject: tú vs. thú
PostPosted: Sat 11 Jun 2022 8:39 am 
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Hello.
I'm learning Irish on duolingo and wiktionary.
duolingo says copula is "Is --- tú, Is --- é".
In wiktionary, é is disjunctive pronoun.
Also thú is disjunctive and tú is conjunctive.
What is "disjunctive pronouns"?
Why "Is --- thú" is wrong?


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 Post subject: Re: tú vs. thú
PostPosted: Sat 11 Jun 2022 11:17 am 
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In standard Irish, I think they mainly use "thú" as the subject of "is" when it's at the end of the clause:
is bean thú.
In native spoken Irish, I think you can also use tú...

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 Post subject: Re: tú vs. thú
PostPosted: Sat 11 Jun 2022 11:19 am 
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Yuki wrote:
Hello.
I'm learning Irish on duolingo and wiktionary.
duolingo says copula is "Is --- tú, Is --- é".
In wiktionary, é is disjunctive pronoun.
Also thú is disjunctive and tú is conjunctive.
What is "disjunctive pronouns"?
Why "Is --- thú" is wrong?


Hi Yuki,

from Wikipedia: "A disjunctive pronoun is a stressed form of a personal pronoun reserved for use in isolation or in certain syntactic contexts." See the article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disjunctive_pronoun

Rather than get caught up in trying to understand the pronouns in that context, I think it would be better for you to understand the difference in usage as described at the following site:

https://toingaeilge.com/post/1902184740 ... s-th%C3%BA

There may be other comments from other people that will help you. Please wait for those comments.

Cheers,

Tim


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 Post subject: Re: tú vs. thú
PostPosted: Sat 11 Jun 2022 12:09 pm 
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The disjunctive is normally thu with a short vowel in pronunciation (whether or not that is shown in the orthography). Tu can appear after a dental. Is bean tu. I don't think it is wrong as such to say tu for thu, but it tends to be lenited as the disjunctive. In is tu, it is unlenited. Is tu a dhein neamh agus talamh (in addressing God). [It is worth noting that it is not is tu a dheinis neamh agus talamh.


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 Post subject: Re: tú vs. thú
PostPosted: Sat 11 Jun 2022 12:50 pm 
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Thanks everyone.
Your answers and advices are so useful to study.


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