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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jun 2022 2:24 am 
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Ó Mhuscrige, nú rud mar sin, a tháinig logainm Múscraí, agus is treibh ársa iad lucht Mhuscrige, ach is rófhada amach sa stair iad chun eólaís chirt a bheith againn ar cé hiad féin, is dócha. Fear Manach - fuirm lofa de Menapii is é é - duairt Ptolemy go raibh treibh éigint dárbh ainm Menapii in áit éigint in Éirinn agus do chuireadar fúthu ar bhruach Loch Erne agus is mar Fhear Manach a thugadh orthu 'na dhiaidh sin. Is dócha ná raibh an focal ceart ag Ptolemy, mar ná raibh leitir P i Seana-Ghaelainn, agus mar sin is dóíchí gur Menacii a thugaidís sin orthu féin agus uaidh sin tá "Fear Manach" againn.


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Agus dar ndó, sa bhfocal Osraighe tá gutha cúnta - is mar Osaraí a labharthar é.


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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2022 9:37 am 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
Ó Mhuscrige, nú rud mar sin, a tháinig logainm Múscraí, agus is treibh ársa iad lucht Mhuscrige, ach is rófhada amach sa stair iad chun eólaís chirt a bheith againn ar cé hiad féin, is dócha. Fear Manach - fuirm lofa de Menapii is é é - duairt Ptolemy go raibh treibh éigint dárbh ainm Menapii in áit éigint in Éirinn agus do chuireadar fúthu ar bhruach Loch Erne agus is mar Fhear Manach a thugadh orthu 'na dhiaidh sin. Is dócha ná raibh an focal ceart ag Ptolemy, mar ná raibh leitir P i Seana-Ghaelainn, agus mar sin is dóíchí gur Menacii a thugaidís sin orthu féin agus uaidh sin tá "Fear Manach" againn.

Ana-shuímiúil.

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2022 6:02 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
Ó Mhuscrige, nú rud mar sin, a tháinig logainm Múscraí, agus is treibh ársa iad lucht Mhuscrige, ach is rófhada amach sa stair iad chun eólaís chirt a bheith againn ar cé hiad féin, is dócha. Fear Manach - fuirm lofa de Menapii is é é - duairt Ptolemy go raibh treibh éigint dárbh ainm Menapii in áit éigint in Éirinn agus do chuireadar fúthu ar bhruach Loch Erne agus is mar Fhear Manach a thugadh orthu 'na dhiaidh sin. Is dócha ná raibh an focal ceart ag Ptolemy, mar ná raibh leitir P i Seana-Ghaelainn, agus mar sin is dóíchí gur Menacii a thugaidís sin orthu féin agus uaidh sin tá "Fear Manach" againn.


Suimiúil. Feictear an comhbhall 'Fear' i logainmneacha a bhaineann le ceantair ársa eile freisin, mar shampla 'Fear Maighe', réigiún a bhí suite in oirthuaisceart Cho. Chorcaí agus as a ainmnítear Mainistir Fhear Maighe (Fermoy).


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2022 6:29 pm 
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Caoilte wrote:
Suimiúil. Feictear an comhbhall 'Fear' i logainmneacha a bhaineann le ceantair ársa eile freisin, mar shampla 'Fear Maighe', réigiún a bhí suite in oirthuaisceart Co. Chorcaí agus as a ainmnítear Mainistir Fhear Maighe (Fermoy).

Is é logainm is mó is maith liom ná Baile na mBodach....


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2022 7:06 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
Caoilte wrote:
Suimiúil. Feictear an comhbhall 'Fear' i logainmneacha a bhaineann le ceantair ársa eile freisin, mar shampla 'Fear Maighe', réigiún a bhí suite in oirthuaisceart Co. Chorcaí agus as a ainmnítear Mainistir Fhear Maighe (Fermoy).

Is é logainm is mó is maith liom ná Baile na mBodach....


Tá go leor bodaigh thart timpeall gan dabht, go speisialta sa lá atá inniu ann. :)


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jul 2022 10:22 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
I've always wondered about Muskerry for Múscraí. Why the "e" in the English name? There is no epenthetic vowel in the Irish, which is pronounced mu:zgri: (with a /z/). Did the English/Anglo-Irish or whoever chose the English name think there was a link with "Kerry"? As an English form, Moozgree might have made more sense.

Do bhíos ag smaoineamh arís faoin bhfuaim 'z' (leathan nó caol) sa Ghaelainn agus do rith sé liom go n-úsáidtear dhá fhocal Gaelainne i gcomhthéacs Béarla mo cheantair dúchais féin agus a bhfuil an fhuaim 'z' iontu. 'Siad na focail sin ná 'geansaí' agus 'padhsán'. (I ndáiríre, ní ach na seandaoine do chuala ag baint úsáid as 'padhsán'.) Is focail iasachta an dá cheann, go bhfios dom.


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jul 2022 11:41 pm 
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Caoilte wrote:
Do bhíos ag smaoineamh arís faoin bhfuaim 'z' (leathan nó caol) sa Ghaelainn agus do rith sé liom go n-úsáidtear dhá fhocal Gaelainne i gcomhthéacs Béarla mo cheantair dúchais féin agus a bhfuil an fhuaim 'z' iontu. 'Siad na focail sin ná 'geansaí' agus 'padhsán'. (I ndáiríre, ní ach na seandaoine do chuala ag baint úsáid as 'padhsán'.) Is focail iasachta an dá cheann, go bhfios dom.


Is le Z adeirthar an focal pósaí (a posey of flowers) i nGaelainn MhúZgraí leis...


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Z was also the eclipsed form of S in some forms of Connacht Irish, such as the Irish of Northern Roscommon.

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jul 2022 10:52 pm 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Z was also the eclipsed form of S in some forms of Connacht Irish, such as the Irish of Northern Roscommon.

And in the Irish of Cape Clear too, I think, although I'm not sure if there are any real speakers of that left. Maybe one or two speakers of Irish there who have some but not all of the old dialect?


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