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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2016 1:20 pm 
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dia daoibh aríst (apologies for all the questions but a lot are coming to me today)

If I wanted to say "That is the son whose father works with me" would it be "Is é sin an mac a n-oibríonn a athair liom"

Again, apologies for all the similar questions but Indirect Rel Clause gives me trouble so I always want to double check so I'm not just practicing bad habits.

Though how would I say "the son of the man with whom I work" ? "mac an fhir a oibrím leis" ? nó rud éigin ?

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If I wanted to say "That is the son whose father works with me" would it be "Is é sin an mac a n-oibríonn a athair liom"


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Though how would I say "the son of the man with whom I work" ? "mac an fhir a oibrím leis" ? nó rud éigin ?


mac an fhir a n-oibrím leis.

You always use the indirect relative when your English sentence has "whose, with whom, with which" etc, or when you have a preposition at the end (the man I talk TO).
The direct relative is used when you have "who(m)" alone (not who... to/with/on etc) or "that" alone (not "that... to" etc).

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2016 7:43 am 
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You always use the indirect relative when your English sentence has "whose, with whom, with which" etc, or when you have a preposition at the end (the man I talk TO).
The direct relative is used when you have "who(m)" alone (not who... to/with/on etc) or "that" alone (not "that... to" etc).


I'll try remember that. Has been a stumbling block for me up till now.


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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2016 7:17 pm 
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Apologies for brining up an old thread but it's relevant to the question so thought it'd make more sense to revive this as opposed to starting a new one.

I had the chance to write an essay and hand it in for correction. The marker has a high level of Irish and when I got my essay back there was one or two corrections.

The one I wanted to ask about is as follows; "Ba é gasúr an fhir a n-oibrím leis é" (corrections in red).

Why the extra "é"? It'll be a while before I see them again to ask so thought i'd ask here.

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct 2016 8:08 pm 
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Apologies for brining up an old thread but it's relevant to the question so thought it'd make more sense to revive this as opposed to starting a new one.

I had the chance to write an essay and hand it in for correction. The marker has a high level of Irish and when I got my essay back there was one or two corrections.

The one I wanted to ask about is as follows; "Ba é gasúr an fhir a n-oibrím leis é" (corrections in red).

Why the extra "é"? It'll be a while before I see them again to ask so thought i'd ask here.

GRMA


Labhrás once answered the question comprehensively for me back in February or March.
When a third person pronoun is one of the parties in a copula sentence (think "is/ní/an"), you must repeat it.
So:
Is é mo dheartháir é / An iad do chairde iad? / Ní hí m'iníon í
é = mo dheartháir
As opposed to Is é mo dheartháir an duine ag canadh
mo dheartháir = an duine ag canadh (the pronoun is not one of the parties)

If you just have Is é mo dheartháir then it means "My brother is..." whereas Is é mo dheartháir é means "He is my brother"

So Ba é gasúr an fhir a n-oibrím leis means "The man I work with's son was..." while Ba é gasúr an fhir a n-oibrím leis é means "He was the man I work with's son"

Ba é gasúr an fhir a n-oibrím leis could also be followed by any other noun or pronoun. Like Ba é gasúr an fhir a n-oibrím leis an duine a d'ól an méid is mó fíona
Or just é... but never nothing

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