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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun 2016 2:27 am 
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Hello

I have formed a group dedicated to studying Irish (and to hopefully start accelerating my learning of Irish) and would like to baptise it with a proper name as Gaeilge.

It is in a place called the Annapolis Valley (in Albain nua) and I was thinking of something like Leaners of the Valley, Students of the Valley

Gaeilgeoirí na ghleann

Daltaí na ghleann

Or other suggestions are welcome.


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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun 2016 5:06 am 
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Caoimhín Albain nua wrote:
Hello

I have formed a group dedicated to studying Irish (and to hopefully start accelerating my learning of Irish) and would like to baptise it with a proper name as Gaeilge.

It is in a place called the Annapolis Valley (in Albain nua) and I was thinking of something like Leaners of the Valley, Students of the Valley

Gaeilgeoirí na ghleann

Daltaí na ghleann

Or other suggestions are welcome.


"An gleann" (the valley) is masculine, 3rd declension, so genitive is "an ghleanna"

Gaeilgeoirí an Ghleanna

Daltaí an Ghleanna


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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:23 am 
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Labhrás wrote:
Caoimhín Albain nua wrote:
Hello

I have formed a group dedicated to studying Irish (and to hopefully start accelerating my learning of Irish) and would like to baptise it with a proper name as Gaeilge.

It is in a place called the Annapolis Valley (in Albain nua) and I was thinking of something like Leaners of the Valley, Students of the Valley

Gaeilgeoirí na ghleann

Daltaí na ghleann

Or other suggestions are welcome.


"An gleann" (the valley) is masculine, 3rd declension, so genitive is "an ghleanna"

Gaeilgeoirí an Ghleanna

Daltaí an Ghleanna


Since "Gaeilgeoirí" apparently can be considered insulting in some circles, perhaps "foghlaimeoirí" would be a better choice?

Also possibly "scoláirí" rather than "daltaí"? It may just be me, but when I hear "dalta" I think 'pupil" (as in an elementary school pupil) rather than an adult learner ("Daltaí na Gaeilge" notwithstanding).

Just a couple more thoughts.

Redwolf


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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun 2016 6:14 pm 
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How about - Club Gaeilge (like the one they have in Dublin) ?


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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun 2016 11:03 pm 
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Can someone explain why Gaeilgeorí is potentially insulting. It means Irish-speaker, n'est-ce pas?

Scolári means a scholar versus Daltaí student.

Foghlaimeoir, albeit a bit intimidating at first sight, might me good.

Foghlaimeoirí an ghleanna...

How does that sound? We now have 4 people interested and will start on July 5. As I am a learner myself... blind leading the blind... I am planning on using Buntús cainte but will try to supplement with youtube and other resources. I would appreciate any suggestions members here might recommend for a fledgeling group of leaners.


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PostPosted: Mon 27 Jun 2016 1:46 pm 
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Gaeilgeorí is only considered an insult to people who are hostile to the language and it doesn't matter what you call it, they will still be hostile. I wouldnt base my choice of title to take that sort of persons feelings in to consideration. The very fact you are learning Irish would upset them.
scoláire being used to refer to primary school age, or pre teen students and Daltaí to teenagers and students from the collages.

scolári would literally translate as scholars, I do here it used in relation to learners in Corca Dhuibhne.

Foghlaimeoirí is just a more generic , learners, doesn't refer to their age

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Jun 2016 3:02 pm 
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Dáithí Mac Giolla. wrote:
Gaeilgeorí is only considered an insult to people who are hostile to the language and it doesn't matter what you call it, they will still be hostile. I wouldnt base my choice of title to take that sort of persons feelings in to consideration. The very fact you are learning Irish would upset them.
scoláire being used to refer to primary school age, or pre teen students and Daltaí to teenagers and students from the collages.


Not necessarily:

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4187&hilit=gaeilgeoir%C3%AD

Gaeilgeoir is used by native-Irish speakers to refer to those who speak school-Irish/ book Irish, well or badly. Similar to how freisinín is used by speakers in Corca Dhuibhne to identify learners of Irish who visit the area. It seems to be a recently coined term as it is not found in Dineen.

I choose not to identify myself with the term. I prefer foghlaimeoir, as Redwold has suggested. Or for speakers of Irish or Scottish Gaelic, I prefer the term Gael.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jul 2016 1:19 pm 
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Go raibh maith agat for all of the answers.

I think that I understand some of the politics around the use of the term Gaeilgeoir

While foghlaimeoir is more appropriate, I don't like it for the name of a group. As this is a new group, I would like the name of the language to be part of the title.

So what about Ciorcal na Gaeilge

or

Gaeilge sa Ghleann - Irish in the Valley

Sorry to go on about this but I don't want to have errors in the name. We've met a few times and I know that this is the right thing to do to kick start my Irish-learning.


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Caoimhín Albain nua wrote:
Go raibh maith agat for all of the answers.

I think that I understand some of the politics around the use of the term Gaeilgeoir

While foghlaimeoir is more appropriate, I don't like it for the name of a group. As this is a new group, I would like the name of the language to be part of the title.

So what about Ciorcal na Gaeilge

or

Gaeilge sa Ghleann - Irish in the Valley

Sorry to go on about this but I don't want to have errors in the name. We've met a few times and I know that this is the right thing to do to kick start my Irish-learning.


Personally I like "Gaeilge sa Ghleann." It has a nice ring to it, and indicates place as well as language.

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jul 2016 1:13 am 
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Thanks. I think Gaeilge sa Ghleann it will be. So far 2 participating members but about 10 people indicating interest. I am so excited about this.


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