Dia dhaoibh, a chairde,

I am creating a database for dialectal differences and am trying to determine how many fields I will need. Could those more knowledgeable than I please help me with the various subdialects for Connacht, Munster and Ulster? These would be the subdialects I am most likely to encounter, so archaic need not be included. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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I am a learner. Any translations offered are practice and should not be used unless confirmed.

I'd say:

Munster: Corca Dhuibhne, Muskerry (Cork), Waterford
Connachta: Aran Islands, Cois Fhairrge, Ceantar na nOileán, Carna, Mayo...
Ulster: Southwestern (Teelin & Gleann Cholm Cille), Anagaire (Rann na Feirste), an Ghaeltacht Láir (na Cruacha Gorma), Gaoth Dobhair, Cloch Cheannaola (Gort a' Choirce...)

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If you intend to include folklore accounts from the dead sub-dialects, e..g. Clare, East Cork etc...; I would break it down into:

Clare /W. Kerry / Berehaven / W. Carbery / E. Carbery / W. Muskerry / (E. Muskerry)/ S. East Cork / /Waterford (North East Cork)/ Tipperary

And say for instance you were to break down the issogloss of how the ending of the passive preterite is pronounced in each sub-dialect, you would get something like this:

Clare: /əx/ and /əg/ ... West Kerry: /əx/ ... Berehaven: / əv/ ... W. Carb: /əv/ and /əg/ ... W. Muskerry: /əg/ and /occ/ and /əv/ ... S. East Cork: /əg/ ... Waterford: /əg/ ... Tipp: /əg/ .

But there are differences at the minute level also; for instance, what is said in Dún Chaoin may not entirely be true for the surrounding district.

But if that breakdown gets a bit messy, I would go with:

Clare / Kerry/ West Cork/ East Cork/ Waterford and Tipp

Cian

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Please wait for corrections/ more input from other forum members before acting on advice

You might find this helpful (I also linked to it in its own thread)

http://gaeilgeforbearloiri.blogspot.ie/ ... lects.html

This is wonderful! Thank you all for your assistance!

Just to clarify, I am only looking for word differences. Like gadhar v madra, cón v comh, etc. I won't be using it for purposes of reading old literature or anything like that. Just for conversations where words stump me, especially when I can't find them in any dictionary. I don't need the grammatical changes, or pronunciation changes, etc., for this, though they are welcome. Those I keep in OneNote, although I will have a memo field for notes in the database.

I have TYI and Learning Irish, which will help with Muskerry and Cois Fhairrge differences, Redwolf's link will help and much can be gleaned reading through old posts. But I will need some assistance (not really long lists of words or anything like that, I will add to the database as I run across things) from you fine people, if you would be so kind.

And I may need the English for the subdialects, as Access 2013 won't allow diacritics in the "title" fields. I will be getting MS Office 2016 shortly, perhaps that will allow it, but if not, some of the title field will need to be in English or sans accents, unless someone has a better idea.

Anyway, thanks for all your help so far!

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Táim ag foghlaim Gaelainn na Mumhan

Tá fáilte roim nach aon cheartú!
I am a learner. Any translations offered are practice and should not be used unless confirmed.

I know Microsoft wouldn't care about a minority language like Irish, but speakers of the big international languages with diacritics like French and Spanish wouldn't be happy with that, and they have more clout. Are you sure there isn't some language package you can download for it?

Access 2016 does allow it. What happens when you try it in Access 2013?

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

That's a great I idea, but based on An Lon Dubh's comment below, that won't be necessary.


I got some kind of weird error message, which was strange because it allowed the accents in the actual record fields, just not the title fields. But if 2016 hasn't an issue, I'm grand. My job participates in the MS Home Use Program, so I can purchase MS Office Professional 2016 for a mere $10 ($23, if I want a backup disc). Can't beat that price. I'll have to install it and play with Access. I had hoped to colour code the dialects/subdialects like they do in Leabhar Mór Bhriathra na Gaeilge, but that may not be possible, so I might decide to use Excel instead. I'll play with both after I install it.

But right now, I'm just needing a list of the subdialects, so I know how many fields/columns I'll need.

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Táim ag foghlaim Gaelainn na Mumhan

Tá fáilte roim nach aon cheartú!
I am a learner. Any translations offered are practice and should not be used unless confirmed.

Accents in table field names works in access 2013 and 2010. What error are you getting?

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Areas for difference I can think of off the top of my head. Please add to them:

Parts of speech:
Prepositions -are they routinely lenited (Díom or Dhíom?; does do and de coalesce? How do they collocate with nouns to form complex prepositions? Tendency towards reduction in complex prepositions (De réir/réir/léir). Do they differ in their semantic and modal range?

Verbs: how synthetic or analytic are they (Chuaigh mé vs. Chuas)? (How much do they vary by speaker, age, and dialect?). What are the paradigms (Dhéineas or Déan mé)? Do they collocate with different prepositions for phrasal verbs? Number of irregular ones; lenition with the saorbhriathar; development or loss of copula;

Nouns & adjectives -inflectional patterns (the genitive (operational or only in set phrases), plurals; does the adjective follow in inflection? Are different plurals in vogue?; can they be stacked (Capallachaí)? Ratio of strong to weak pluralisation; degree of free variation; loss of gender marking?

Pronominal adjectives- numbers etc -how reduced (gach chuile shóirt/chuile shóirt) in form? Counting humans and animals different? Nominative plural or genitive plural on nouns? Dual number? Urú on billiúin? Variance on initial mutation. Inclusion or reduction of 'a' particle in counting;

Adverbs -likelihood to be made into a conjunction or framing element;


Lexis:
Historical -degree of native words unchanged and to what degree
Loans -inclusion from English
Internal productivity -from morphemes; generation of new, random words


Phonology:
Degree of historical fidelity
Accommodation of English sounds
Weakening of broad/slender system


Semantics:
Range
complexity uaine vs. glas;
splitting tá sorry orm vs. tá brón orm;
simplification fá choinne for a general 'for' in Gleann Cholm Chille
reduction in range -???
Conceptual -countable vs. uncountable marking?
Schemata -small/medium/big or vice-versa;
Social -tú vs. sibh; bean Uí X or not;
Other -surname marking (Nic etc); lenition and genitive on Saints' names;
Code-switching- calques; contextual code switching (for register) etc


Pragmatics:
Analogous developments -sea or ní hea or neo for generalized yes/no; integration of English speech management elements (alright; halló etc)

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