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PostPosted: Thu 17 Mar 2016 2:27 pm 
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Hey all. Does anyone know how accurate the dialectal forms given in this book are? I've purchased it, and can give samples when I get home if they're needed. I'm just looking at using them for a project if they're fairly accurate.

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Mar 2016 6:15 pm 
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I didn't buy it, but if you want accurate forms, you can also look at the 4 volumes of An Teanga Bheo, at Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne by D. Ó Sé, at Gaedhilge Theilinn, The Irish of Tory Island, etc.
I'm always afraid stuff is more or less standardised in books destined for learners, as Leabhar Mór Bhriathra na Gaeilge. While linguistic studies on dialects just describe what people say without changing anything.

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Mar 2016 6:21 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
I didn't buy it, but if you want accurate forms, you can also look at the 4 volumes of An Teanga Bheo, at Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne by D. Ó Sé, at Gaedhilge Theilinn, The Irish of Tory Island, etc.
I'm always afraid stuff is more or less standardised in books destined for learners, as Leabhar Mór Bhriathra na Gaeilge. While linguistic studies on dialects just describe what people say without changing anything.


Yeah. I have Gaeilge Chonnachta from the An Teanga Bheo series, but I don't have the others. I'll see if I can find where the book draws its sources and then ask back when I get home. Plus, I'm lazy and this book literally spells it out for every mood/tense for each verb. Pretty sure it even includes variant verbal adjectives.


If not, what about Wiktionary? I know it makes a distinction for téigh and mentions other forms, but doesn't necessarily tell what dialect they go with.


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PostPosted: Thu 17 Mar 2016 6:41 pm 
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galaxyrocker wrote:
Hey all. Does anyone know how accurate the dialectal forms given in this book are? I've purchased it, and can give samples when I get home if they're needed. I'm just looking at using them for a project if they're fairly accurate.

Thanks!


Hi Galaxyrocker,

I don't have the book, so I can't comment. But a good place to start (litmus test) would be to look up the verb déan in the past tense.

It should give the forms:

Connachta: rinne
Uladh: rinn
Munster: (do) dhein

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I'm familiar with Munster Irish/ Gaolainn na Mumhan (GM) and the Official Standard/an Caighdeán Oifigiúil (CO)


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2016 12:19 am 
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Well, Cian, give that it looks great. http://imgur.com/egfM3c0


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2016 12:36 am 
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It's a very good book I think.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2016 12:48 am 
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galaxyrocker wrote:
Well, Cionn, give that it looks great. http://imgur.com/egfM3c0
galaxyrocker wrote:
Well, Cionn, give that it looks great. http://imgur.com/egfM3c0


:good:

Its very good. It gives the variants dhin and dhéin and it has the -amair ending and the fact that ní and níor can both be used as the negative particle with dhein. It also captures the fact that the briathar saor can be lenited.

At a minute level, (or) dhearna is also found in Munster as well. The endings for the saorbhriathar is the usual Kerry form, i.e. -(e)adh. -(e)ag/ (e)og is the usual East Munster ending, and -amh is the West Cork ending.

But that's being picky :D !

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2016 1:47 am 
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
galaxyrocker wrote:
Well, Cionn, give that it looks great. http://imgur.com/egfM3c0
galaxyrocker wrote:
Well, Cionn, give that it looks great. http://imgur.com/egfM3c0


:good:

Its very good. It gives the variants dhin and dhéin and it has the -amair ending and the fact that ní and níor can both be used as the negative particle with dhein. It also captures the fact that the briathar saor can be lenited.

At a minute level, (or) dhearna is also found in Munster as well. The endings for the saorbhriathar is the usual Kerry form, i.e. -(e)adh. -(e)ag/ (e)og is the usual East Munster ending, and -amh is the West Cork ending.

But that's being picky :D !

Crossed with an Lon Dubh



Cian



Awesome. Glad to know that. It'll make it a lot easier when I copy this information over haha!

Thanks everyone!


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2016 2:11 am 
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Actually, I've copied the verbal forms I found, for the standard and certain dialects, on this website:

http://annexedicoirlandais.free.fr/tableauvbreg.html

http://annexedicoirlandais.free.fr/tableauvbirreg.html

http://annexedicoirlandais.free.fr/conjugis.html (on this one, the English version is in the lower part of the page ; my examples are in Donegal Irish only, though, on this page)

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2016 1:09 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Actually, I've copied the verbal forms I found, for the standard and certain dialects, on this website:

http://annexedicoirlandais.free.fr/tableauvbreg.html

http://annexedicoirlandais.free.fr/tableauvbirreg.html

http://annexedicoirlandais.free.fr/conjugis.html (on this one, the English version is in the lower part of the page ; my examples are in Donegal Irish only, though, on this page)


Lughaidh,
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