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PostPosted: Fri 30 Oct 2015 1:51 pm 
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Dia daoibh a chairde, just a quick question.

Should it be sé phointe déag or sé phointe dhéag?

I can't remember if imread somewhere once upon a time that if the noun ends with a vowel it lenites the "déag".

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 Post subject: Re: 16 points
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Cliathach wrote:
Dia daoibh a chairde, just a quick question.

Should it be sé phointe déag or sé phointe dhéag?

I can't remember if imread somewhere once upon a time that if the noun ends with a vowel it lenites the "déag".

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I believe the rule is that déag is lenited if the preceding word is singular and ends in a vowel, or is plural and ends in a slender consonant (except for the word cinn, which is an exception).

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Lenition of déag when the noun is singular and ends with a vowel, indeed.

Now, I found a few examples of a plural noun that ends with a slender consonant, in Tobar na Gaedhilge, and "déag" isn't lenited : cúig cloigin déag (in "Thiar i dTír Chonaill", by Séamas 'ac Grianna), also "ar chúig pighinn déag" ('Nuair a bhí mé óg", by S. 'ac Grianna), "trí cloiginn déag" (same book).

The grammars don't talk about that rule, nor M. Mechura's PDF about numbers in Irish.

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Lughaidh wrote:
Lenition of déag when the noun is singular and ends with a vowel, indeed.

Now, I found a few examples of a plural noun that ends with a slender consonant, in Tobar na Gaedhilge, and "déag" isn't lenited : cúig cloigin déag (in "Thiar i dTír Chonaill", by Séamas 'ac Grianna), also "ar chúig pighinn déag" ('Nuair a bhí mé óg", by S. 'ac Grianna), "trí cloiginn déag" (same book).

The grammars don't talk about that rule, nor M. Mechura's PDF about numbers in Irish.


The Mac Congáil grammar does have the rule as I stated it. I also checked FGB (under the word déag), and it states the rule the same way. Of course, that doesn't mean that there are no dialectical variants.

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Lughaidh wrote:
Now, I found a few examples of a plural noun that ends with a slender consonant, in Tobar na Gaedhilge, and "déag" isn't lenited : cúig cloigin déag (in "Thiar i dTír Chonaill", by Séamas 'ac Grianna), also "ar chúig pighinn déag" ('Nuair a bhí mé óg", by S. 'ac Grianna), "trí cloiginn déag" (same book).

Dentals rule possibly?

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