It is currently Sat 05 Sep 2026 9:03 pm

All times are UTC


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015 4:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:44 pm
Posts: 3512
Location: Santa Cruz Mountains, California, USA
Could someone sort out for me the distinction between "chuig" and "chun"?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015 8:56 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri 18 Nov 2011 2:27 pm
Posts: 622
It's mainly a dialect difference. This link explains the background to it.

http://nualeargais.ie/gnag/chuig.htm

It does seem as if some dialects have both, so it's not a clearcut answer but it's a start.

_________________
Táim ag foghlaim fós. Fáilte roimh gach aon cheartúchán.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015 10:58 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm
Posts: 3001
Redwolf wrote:
Could someone sort out for me the distinction between "chuig" and "chun"?


Actually I don't know either.

They are all used abbreviated in Conamara so I'm not very familiar with the originals.

I was told here on the forum that when we say -
"Chuaigh sé ag an scoil" that that "ag" is an abbrievation of "chuig".

We don't say "chugat" but "ad", "am" not "chugam".
"Chuir sé litir 'am. "


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015 9:49 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri 01 Mar 2013 3:50 pm
Posts: 171
And then there's (nonstandard) chúns, which I took to be a variant form of chun (go) in its role as a final conjunction. But according to Ó Dónaill it's a Connemara contraction of chomh fada is, e.g. Bhí sé ag caoineadh chúns a bhíos sé ag caint liom.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Thu 01 Oct 2015 12:00 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm
Posts: 2436
This is what I was taught in the university:

- go is used when there's no article before the place name (go hÉirinn, go háit...)
- chuig is used when saying you're going to an event (chuig an choirm cheoil, chuig an chluiche...)
- chun is used when it's a place name with an article (chun an toí, chun an bhaile... pronounced 'na' toí, 'na' bhaile, etc in Donegal)

_________________
Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne
:)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Thu 01 Oct 2015 11:19 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat 03 May 2014 4:01 pm
Posts: 1979
Domhnaillín Breac wrote:
And then there's (nonstandard) chúns, which I took to be a variant form of chun (go) in its role as a final conjunction. But according to Ó Dónaill it's a Connemara contraction of chomh fada is, e.g. Bhí sé ag caoineadh chúns a bhíos sé ag caint liom.


rather a contraction of a chomhuain is


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Thu 01 Oct 2015 8:59 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm
Posts: 2436
Quote:
chúns a bhíos sé ag caint liom.


must be "chúns a bhí sé ag caint liom.

because "bhíos" is either "I was" (impossible since the subject is "sé"), or "(that) usually is" (impossible since it's in the past and "bhíos" doesn't exist in Munster Irish AFAIK).

_________________
Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne
:)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Thu 01 Oct 2015 11:02 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat 18 Aug 2012 11:43 pm
Posts: 723
Location: Nua Mheicsiceo
Lughaidh wrote:
This is what I was taught in the university:

- go is used when there's no article before the place name (go hÉirinn, go háit...)
- chuig is used when saying you're going to an event (chuig an choirm cheoil, chuig an chluiche...)
- chun is used when it's a place name with an article (chun an toí, chun an bhaile... pronounced 'na' toí, 'na' bhaile, etc in Donegal)
So, whenever there is an article you would say go dtí instead of just go, right?

Táim ag dul go dtí an siopa. – I'm going to the shop.
Táim ag dul go dtí an siopa chun bia a cheannach. – I'm going to the shop for to buy food.
Táim ag dul chun an siopa. – I'm heading over to the shop.

Is all of that right? :?:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Fri 02 Oct 2015 11:05 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm
Posts: 2436
Our teacher told us "go dtí" meant "as far as..." (ghabháil go dtí an teach = to go until the house and stop in front of the door), and was also used in time expressions (ceathrú go dtí a sé...).

When you go to a place and you don't stop just before it, then you'd use "chun" (almost always shortened though, to "a" or "an")

Quote:
Táim ag dul go dtí an siopa. – I'm going to the shop.


Tá mé 'gabháil 'na' tsiopa. (=chun an tsiopa)

Quote:
Táim ag dul go dtí an siopa chun bia a cheannach. – I'm going to the shop for to buy food.


Tá mé 'gabháil 'na' tsiopa a cheannacht bídh.

Quote:
Táim ag dul chun an siopa. – I'm heading over to the shop.


Tá mé 'gabháil ionsar a' tsiopa (not 100% sure)

_________________
Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne
:)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Chuig and chun
PostPosted: Fri 02 Oct 2015 2:46 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat 18 Aug 2012 11:43 pm
Posts: 723
Location: Nua Mheicsiceo
Thanks Lughaidh!
:GRMA:


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1498 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group