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 Post subject: Dia guit and gá
PostPosted: Tue 29 Sep 2015 12:02 am 
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Listening to people speaking Irish, I seem to have found that people pronounce 'dia dhuit' as 'dia guit' and 'dhá' as 'gá', even if they pronounce the broad initial dh sound correctly in other words. Has anyone else noticed this? Maybe it's because they've been learning Irish since primary school and the teacher didn't really want to bother trying to get his or her class to be able to pronounce velar fricatives. My recent Irish teacher told the class that dhá was pronounced gaa. In Ulster, they say 'dia duit' rather than 'dia dhuit' so that wasn't a problem. But I asked him how to pronounce dhubh (just to see how he'd say it) and he pronounced it 'ghubh'. I just thought it funny how he could pronounce 'dhubh' but not 'dhá'. Although, in Ulster. dhá would be be pronounced like 'dheá', as far as I know.


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 Post subject: Re: Dia guit and gá
PostPosted: Tue 29 Sep 2015 9:27 am 
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Listening to people speaking Irish, I seem to have found that people pronounce 'dia dhuit' as 'dia guit' and 'dhá' as 'gá', even if they pronounce the broad initial dh sound correctly in other words. Has anyone else noticed this?


yes, among non-native speakers... But these aren't the model to follow.

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Maybe it's because they've been learning Irish since primary school and the teacher didn't really want to bother trying to get his or her class to be able to pronounce velar fricatives.


or wasn't able to do so himself.

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My recent Irish teacher told the class that dhá was pronounced gaa.


Find another teacher if you can... Normally, a teacher is meant to master the basics of pronunciation...

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In Ulster, they say 'dia duit' rather than 'dia dhuit' so that wasn't a problem.


Well, actually, Donegal people rather say "Goidé mar atá tú?" or "halló" etc. "Dia duit" is formal and rarely used.

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But I asked him how to pronounce dhubh (just to see how he'd say it) and he pronounced it 'ghubh'. I just thought it funny how he could pronounce 'dhubh' but not 'dhá'. Although, in Ulster. dhá would be be pronounced like 'dheá', as far as I know.


in Gaoth Dobhair, but probably not in all Donegal.
Also, "a dhath" (=nothing) is pronounced "a dheath" in Gaoth Dobhair.

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 Post subject: Re: Dia guit and gá
PostPosted: Thu 01 Oct 2015 10:07 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:

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In Ulster, they say 'dia duit' rather than 'dia dhuit' so that wasn't a problem.


Well, actually, Donegal people rather say "Goidé mar atá tú?" or "halló" etc. "Dia duit" is formal and rarely used.


My teacher did actually tell me that, to his credit. I didn't know they said 'halló' though.

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But I asked him how to pronounce dhubh (just to see how he'd say it) and he pronounced it 'ghubh'. I just thought it funny how he could pronounce 'dhubh' but not 'dhá'. Although, in Ulster. dhá would be be pronounced like 'dheá', as far as I know.


in Gaoth Dobhair, but probably not in all Donegal.
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Oh right. I didn't know that. So they'd say 'gheh' for dhá in other parts of Donegal?

I actually forgot I posted this. Then, today, I had a flashback involving this thread so I had to come on here to see if I really did post this or if I dreamt it.


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 Post subject: Re: Dia guit and gá
PostPosted: Fri 02 Oct 2015 10:54 am 
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I think they say "dhath ar bith" in Rann na Feirste, "dhath" with the broad dh sound.

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