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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016 2:07 pm 
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So I'm currently working through Learning Irish with a group of people on the chat program Telegram, going through and trying to give more in-depth grammar explanations as well as answer any questions they have. One thing I'm doing is stressing where learners and non-natives generally mess up. What are some things I should definitely mention? Currently, the two big ones I've talked about are lack of cuid for plurals (I know technically inalienable plurals don't use it, and I mentioned that, though they do use it in South Connemara and Donegal for all plurals, IIRC) and the fact that people like to stress words in an English manner for emphasis, instead of the traditional Irish way (in fact, just today I saw someone doing that on Gaeilge Amháin...). What are some others y'all'd suggest?


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016 2:23 pm 
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What do learners and non-natives generally mess up?

Everything :mrgreen:
Pronunciation, séimhiú and urú, declensions, idioms, conjugations, is vs. tá, using the present instead of the future after "nuair a", the syntax of the verbal noun... everything with numbers (they are so complicated)...

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016 7:00 pm 
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C'est ben vrai ça - il est gentil, il est gentil ;)


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016 7:33 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
using the present instead of the future after "nuair a"


I KNEW IT!

Dúirt mé le duine "Cuir glaoch orm nuair a bheidh an t-am agat" agus dúirt an múinteoir gur cheart dom a rá "nuair atá"
:rolleyes:
ach bhí sé ar eolas agam roimhe sin gan é a chreidiúint riamh

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2016 7:35 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
everything with numbers (they are so complicated)...

One of the top two most difficult topics, but I think you forgot the other one: anuas/suas/thuas/etc.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Nov 2016 12:36 am 
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Dúirt mé le duine "Cuir glaoch orm nuair a bheidh an t-am agat" agus dúirt an múinteoir gur cheart dom a rá "nuair atá"
:rolleyes:
ach bhí sé ar eolas agam roimhe sin gan é a chreidiúint riamh


Deireann na foghlaimeoirí agus na cainteoirí neamhdhúchasacha "nuair atá" in áit "nuair a bheidh (bheas)" siocair go ndeirtear "when X is" instead of "when X will be", sin an méid.
Dála an scéil tá 'n Ghaeilg i bhfad níos loighciúla, char thuig mise ariamh cad chuighe nach ndeirtear "when X will be" i mBéarla...

Éire agus an Bhriotáin: an dá áit ar féidir bheith ina mhúinteoir gan máistreacht a fháil ar an teangaidh.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Nov 2016 2:11 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:

Éire agus an Bhriotáin: an dá áit ar féidir bheith ina mhúinteoir gan máistreacht a fháil ar an teangaidh.


Is fíor sin. Ba mhinic a ndéanfadh mo mhúinteoir praiseach den tuiseal ginideach.

Measaim, uaireanta, go dtuigeann daoiní rialacha gramadaí, (nó, ar a laghad, bíonn thuairim de shaghas éigin acu) ach nach mbacann siad leo. 'Sé sin le rá nach bhfuil "meas" acu orthu. Agus sa tslí sin tagann meath ar bhaint úsáide ceirte na teanga ar scoil agus mar sin de.


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Bhí léachtóir Gaeilg agam san ollscoil (!) a theagasc dúinn "an tstair" (history) "cuirtear t- roimhe siocair gur focal baininscneach atá ann"... Ag an am sin bhí Gaeilg líofa agam cheana féin, b'fhearr liom fanacht in mo thost, nó ní maith liom náire a chur ar dhaoiní eile... ach rinn mé facepalm...

Chuir mac léinn ceist orthaí "goidé mar a fhuaimnithear é?"... stad an léachtóir ar feadh tamailt (caithfidh go dtug sí fá dear go rabh fadhb ineacht ann!) agus d'fhreagair sí "uhn tarr, ní fhuaimnithear an s".

Leig mé osna.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Nov 2016 2:40 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Bhí léachtóir Gaeilg agam san ollscoil (!) a theagasc dúinn "an tstair" (history) "cuirtear t- roimhe siocair gur focal baininscneach atá ann"... Ag an am sin bhí Gaeilg líofa agam cheana féin, b'fhearr liom fanacht in mo thost, nó ní maith liom náire a chur ar dhaoiní eile... ach rinn mé facepalm...

Chuir mac léinn ceist orthaí "goidé mar a fhuaimnithear é?"... stad an léachtóir ar feadh tamailt (caithfidh go dtug sí fá dear go rabh fadhb ineacht ann!) agus d'fhreagair sí "uhn tarr, ní fhuaimnithear an s".

Leig mé osna.

Sampla pianmhar é an ceann sin agat... Fair play don mhac léinn a cheistigh í, duine a smaoiníonn faoi rudaí go criticiúil ar a laghad. Seans maith nach labhrann an léactóir sin an teanga go minic, dá ndéanfadh sí ní cheapaim go ndéarfadh sí go gcuirfí "t" ansin.

Bhí múinteoirí mhaithe agamsa don chuid is mó (sa bhun is sa mheánscoil), ach fós chuirfeadh rudaí beaga isteach orm ó am go ham - agus níl Gaeilge fhoirfe agam féin in ao' chur!


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Lughaidh wrote:
"uhn tarr, ní fhuaimnithear an s"

bahahaha

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