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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep 2014 10:58 pm 
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Hi I am looking for help translating the following quote:
"Even when the last instrument has fallen silent, our hearts still hear the music of the trees"
I think i could probably do a literal translation myself but was looking for something a bit more poetic.
Feel free to mess around with it as long as it ends in "ceol na gcrann" as that is the name of my house and the most important part.
Thanks in advance for any help,

Gav


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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep 2014 11:19 pm 
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cakemangav wrote:
Hi I am looking for help translating the following quote:
"Even when the last instrument has fallen silent, our hearts still hear the music of the trees"
I think i could probably do a literal translation myself but was looking for something a bit more poetic.
Feel free to mess around with it as long as it ends in "ceol na gcrann" as that is the name of my house and the most important part.
Thanks in advance for any help,

Gav


Hmmm...maybe:

Cé go bhfuil gach uile uirlis ciúin, cloiseann ár gcroí ceol na gcrann: Even though all the instruments are silent, our hearts hear the music of the trees.

Wait for more.

Redwolf


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2014 10:05 am 
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Redwolf's suggestion looks good, this is just another idea..

Nuair a thit an gléas déanach dá thost,
Cá inár gcroíthe ar mhair ná ceol na gcrann.

When the last instrument fell silent,
What remained in our hearts but the music of the trees.

I've used the plural, croíthe, here but I see Redwolf used the singular, croí; is there a definite rule that states when you should use the singular and when you should use the plural? I'm almost certain I've seen examples of both usages after a plural pronoun.


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2014 1:38 pm 
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Both the others are good, but I personally like a little bit of a combination of both:

Nuair a chuirtear an gléas deireanach ina thost, cloisfidh ár gcroi ceol na gcrann

This one is "When the last instrument is silenced, our hearts will hear the music of the trees.


Last edited by galaxyrocker on Thu 11 Sep 2014 4:46 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2014 4:34 pm 
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galaxyrocker wrote:

Nuair a chuireann an gléas deireanach ina thost, cloisfidh ár gcroi ceol na gcrann

This one is "When the last instrument is silenced, our hears will hear the music of the trees.


'Twould have to be chuirtear (saorbhriathar), not chuireann.

"our hears" - :D


MacBoo wrote:
Redwolf's suggestion looks good, this is just another idea..

Nuair a thit an gléas déanach dá thost,
Cá inár gcroíthe ar mhair ná ceol na gcrann.

When the last instrument fell silent,
What remained in our hearts but the music of the trees.


I don't think can be used like that to mean 'what', and I'd say it should be a mhair not ar mhair (direct relative).



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I've used the plural, croíthe, here but I see Redwolf used the singular, croí; is there a definite rule that states when you should use the singular and when you should use the plural? I'm almost certain I've seen examples of both usages after a plural pronoun.


Both singular and plural seem to be used by native speakers - the singular being more usual. On the old forum we generally recommended using the singular, ach níl a fhios agam cén údarás atá leis.


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Touché. Just fixed both of those. GRMA.


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2014 4:59 pm 
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Errigal wrote:
Both singular and plural seem to be used by native speakers - the singular being more usual. On the old forum we generally recommended using the singular, ach níl a fhios agam cén údarás atá leis.

Bhuel, is é an t-uatha an fhoirm is coitianta, fé mar a dúrais, ach amháin cúpla focal go bhfuil iolra fé leith aca i ndiaidh na n-uimhreacha (bliain, seachtain, s.r.l.)

Údarás an nóis b'fhéid'?

EDIT: I'm a moron, I realise that this is a question about plurals after possessive pronouns. Yeah, at least from what I've heard you use the singular if it refers to something each person has one of, i.e.

ár gcroí
ár n-anam

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2014 6:31 pm 
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Hey, thanks everyone for the replies.
Galaxyrockers definitely seems closest to what i was looking for.
I notice you corrected the "chuireann, chuirtear" was going to mention that and that i would have thought "gcroi" was "gcroithe" but I see by the other posts that that's debatable. Somehow "gcroithe" just sounds right to me.
My only question now is that I definitely prefer "gléas" to "uirlísi" but should i clarify that with "gléas ceoil" or is that unnecessary.


What I'm thinking to go with is:
Nuair a chuirtear an gléas ceoil deireanach ina thost, cloisfidh ár gcroithe ceol na gcrann

let me know what you think

Also one last thing, is "deireanach" definitely spelled with one "n" or is it "deireannach"

Thanks again


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2014 9:56 am 
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MacBoo wrote:
Redwolf's suggestion looks good, this is just another idea..

Nuair a thit an gléas déanach dá thost,
Cá inár gcroíthe ar mhair ná ceol na gcrann.

When the last instrument fell silent,
What remained in our hearts but the music of the trees.


I don't think can be used like that to mean 'what', and I'd say it should be a mhair not ar mhair (direct relative).



I was thinking of a construction like cá leis ar bhuail tú é. . . but I see what you mean now, I think.

What about
Cad a mhair inár gcroí(the) ná ceol na gcrann.

Do you think that would work?


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2014 3:38 pm 
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cakemangav wrote:
Hey, thanks everyone for the replies.
Galaxyrockers definitely seems closest to what i was looking for.
I notice you corrected the "chuireann, chuirtear" was going to mention that and that i would have thought "gcroi" was "gcroithe" but I see by the other posts that that's debatable. Somehow "gcroithe" just sounds right to me.
My only question now is that I definitely prefer "gléas" to "uirlísi" but should i clarify that with "gléas ceoil" or is that unnecessary.


What I'm thinking to go with is:
Nuair a chuirtear an gléas ceoil deireanach ina thost, cloisfidh ár gcroithe ceol na gcrann

let me know what you think

Also one last thing, is "deireanach" definitely spelled with one "n" or is it "deireannach"

Thanks again


I'd say "gleás ceoil" rather than just "gleás" too.

I think "chuirfear" (future) would be better than "chuirtear". Or, if you consider it a state rather than an act, then: "Nuair a bheidh an X curtha ina thost...", which perhaps could be shortened to: "Agus an X curtha ina thost...".


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