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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013 8:49 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Deir sibh "nach ndearna" i gConamara? nach ndeir sibh "nár rinne" nó rud ineacht mar sin? :)

Nach ndearna according to Ó Siadhail. The other may also be possible but less common. :dhera:

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Oct 2024 8:05 pm 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Munster versions, sentences would be unchanged outside of the verb forms.
Applies to West Munster and South Déise.
(Northern Déise Irish used to have slightly different versions.)

Present Tense:

1. a dheineann = who makes / does

2. ná deineann = who doesn't make / do

3. a/go ndeineann a mhac = whose son makes / does

4. ná deineann a mhac = whose son doesn't make / do

Past Tense:

1. a dhein = who made / did

2. nár dhein = who didn't make / do

3. ar/gur dhein a mhac = whose son made / did

4. nár dhein a mhac = whose son didn't make / do



I don't think that anywhere in the Déise uses 'deineann', it's more of a West Munster form, déineann is the correct form for Déise Irish, sometimes déanann. In the past tense dhin in South Waterford and rin in North Waterford and South Tipperary.

(Btw I spelled 'dhein' as dhin here because I'm of the opinion that it, as well as dineann, should be spelled as such since the e is historical and not pronounced in modern Irish, just like many other historical short e's when nasalised, think of meise, meic, teine, teinn, meinic now all pronounced and spelled mise, mic, tine, tinn, minic etc...)


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Oct 2024 2:53 am 
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AnCanúnaighe wrote:
(Btw I spelled 'dhein' as dhin here because I'm of the opinion that it, as well as dineann, should be spelled as such since the e is historical and not pronounced in modern Irish, just like many other historical short e's when nasalised, think of meise, meic, teine, teinn, meinic now all pronounced and spelled mise, mic, tine, tinn, minic etc...)


I suppose it always depends what dialect you're referring to. Most of those are just pronounced with "i", apart from teinn, which is /tʲəiŋʲ/. What is it in Waterford? Words like cínn become /kʲaiŋʲ/ there, but I think that is only possible where /i:/ is found elsewhere, so teinn can't have that?? (??? please let me know).


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Oct 2024 11:25 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
I suppose it always depends what dialect you're referring to.


You're right actually, there are instances of words with /e/ in one dialect and /i/ in another. Do you know if any dialect pronounces dhein and deineann with /e/?

djwebb2021 wrote:
What is it in Waterford?


The maority of my source's phonetic transcriptions give /tʲaiŋʲ/ (which suggests the tinn spelling), though I've also found instances of /tʲəiŋʲ/ as well as /tʲɛiŋʲ/ and /tʲeiŋʲ/.


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