Hi,

I've started a thread slowly going through the case system in Munster in Nótaí an Loin Dhuibh. However I would like to hear how others use the cases, particularly
other dialects.
For instance how would most of you say "Men!/Guys!", would it be A fheara! or something else?
Would "Boys!" be A gharsúna! or something else?

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Learning Irish gives a fheara ! "(you) men!". The Iorras Aithneach study gives a fheara ! or a fhearaibh ! for the same, but a fhir chóir, a fhir mhaith, etc., with an adjective.

gasúr is "child" in Connemara. Learning Irish gives A ghasúir bheaga ! "(you) little children !", but no example without an adjective.

The Iorras Aithneach study gives a ghasúir, a ghasúr as the vocative singular, and contrasts it with Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge: an deilbhíocht, de Bhaldraithe (1953) § 40 but I don't have the latter or know what that means.


A dual vocative would make sense if translated "You two men!" (That's not to say there is one in Irish, only that that's how it would work in English.)


Learning Irish gives a rifíneachaí ! "(You) ruffians!" and a rifíneachaí bradacha ! "(You) thieving ruffians!" (but Connemara Irish uses "strong" plural endings more than other dialects, I suppose? )

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

First of all, I think it's great that you are doing this. There are not nearly enough resources out there for people who would like to learn Munster Irish, so everything helps.

I think it would be very helpful for learners (well, for me at least) if you would also include the indefinite forms of the genitive and dative. For example, the first genitive singular that you gave us is: Cliathán an bhóthair – The side of the road. It would be nice to also see: "The side of a road", "A side of the road", and "A side of a road"; and the same with the genitive plurals and the dative forms. And of course, a translation next to each of them would be nice for learners. I have never seen a grammar book with this information.

Go raibh maith agat as do theachtaireacht, a Bhreandáin!


No problem. I'll do this in a later post as using an indefinite noun or not can decide if you use a genitive or dative.


There are translations in now.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

I've asked a native speaker about the vocative dual, since it theoretically might matter for the second declension which I just posted. However I was told that you would virtually never say such a thing. However the form is what you'd expect, the nominative form with the vocative particle, a, in front.

Some errors corrected throughout.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal