Perhaps I’m used to other examples of Southern Irish dialect, but the “Tá” here sounds as if it’s a Gàidhlig “Tha”. Are my ears deceiving me or is this a feature of Kerry dialect?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uszm2mhOiNA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t2VmLKavD4

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"What? First we give a month to black history, now we're blowing seven days on the Irish!"
Pierce, upon hearing about Green Week

"Tá" is pronounced as "Thá" in the extreme West of Corca Dhuibhne and is very common in "an Rinn" Co. Phort Láirge. It is common in the form of "athá" in all of Munster.

There's a very interesting account in "Leabhar Sheáin Í Chonaill: Seanchas agus Sgéalta Ó Íbh Ráthach", collected by Seamus Ó Duilearga, where Seán Ó Conaill describes the "Mná Feasa" and a migration of Ulster people to Munster. I think the specific story is called "Na hUltaigh". Of course this is seanchas or pseudo-history but even the basis of pseudo-history has traces of facts. Maybe the migration brought the pronunciation of "Thá" to Munster?

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I've got the English version of that book and I think it's brilliant, but I'v never been able to find the original Irish version anywhere. Do you happen to know where I can find it?

Thanks for the info. I like the idea of some Ulster people migrating to Dingle like the Cajuns from Canada to Louisiana.

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"What? First we give a month to black history, now we're blowing seven days on the Irish!"
Pierce, upon hearing about Green Week

I don't know any place in Ulster where "thá" is the most common form. It does exist in Gaoth Dobhair, Cloich Cheannaola, Ros Goill... but it's minoritary in my opinion.
I'm not sure it's a very old thing either (I don't think it's attested in Old, Middle or even Classical Irish). It might be a local development that happened in several places without influencing each other...

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

Or since it happens in so many parts of Ireland and also in Scottish Gaelic, perhaps it is something that used to be in all Irish dialects and died out in parts.

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My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

I don't know. Since it's not attested in the older language, it's a bit strange.

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Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

No unfortunately, but its not from the want of trying. I had it because it is in the university library. I've been searching around for it but to no real success. It was published in phonetic Irish, in order to give the reader a taste of the dialectal pronunciation, for instance:

eighre = oidhre
oíhe = oíche/ oidhche

It is very difficult to find online, the searches I did came to no avail. I can find Leabhair Stiofáin Uí Ealaoire (An Siopa leabhair) from Clare, Leabhair Mhaidhc Dháith (http://www.ansagart.ie) from An Rinn and Seanchas ó Chairbhre (An Siopa leabhair) but I am afraid to buy modern copies of it in case they have been altered or edited in some way and if they were I wouldn't have no real meas on them. I know Leabhair Mhaidhc Dháith has been standardised but it still retains some of the Déise phonetics and vocabulary. I was going to buy Seanchas Amhlaoibh í Luínse, from litríocht.ie as its on offer at the moment €20 or (An Siopa leabhair) for €16. They published the first half of the collection in 1971 and this is the second and final part of the collection of stories taken from the Muskerry storyteller.

Oh ya, Londubh, Acadamh Ríoga Éireann have their own version of Cínnlae Amhlaoibh the versions are €30 a pop or you can get the box set for €100 and something. I am not sure if they have been standardised or not though.



I thought I mentioned that, I must have deleted when doing the editing. I think also it is far more likely to be a localised phenomenon, rather than it developing in a core area and then dispersing. But a phenomenon that is widely dispersed among the Gaelic languages none the less.

This is similar to the Agricultural argument in archaeology:

Farming was originally thought, by archaeologist, to have been developed in the Fertile crescent c.12,000- 10,000 B.C and then spread across the globe from there. Many archaeologist now believe that agriculture developed in different areas at different times separately. Some archaeologist still uphold the original view. It is probable that agriculture spread across western Europe from the Fertile Crescent; finally reaching Ireland c.4,000 B.C, this is fairly undisputed but the belief that agriculture spread to China and South America etc... from the Fertile Crescent is however.

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Thanks! I got to have a quick look at one of them today and they're not standardised, I've yet to check if they are censored though, which is a worry since the edition was published in the 1930s.

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Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

They're not censored and actually they're a great edition of the book! If you have read De Bhaldraithe's edition I would recommend giving the first one a try.

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Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal