I don't understand this.

Errigal · **Joined:** Fri 09 Sep 2011 2:06 pm **Posts:** 716

Labhrás wrote:

There's online a scanned copy of the preface by Pádraig Breathnach and a few letters by Peadar Ó Laoghaire to P. Breathnach about the songs, both in English (here: https://corkirish.files.wordpress.com/2 ... mc3b3l.pdf)
But without any explanation of the title.

It is written Fuínn na Smól there.

It is written here so as well: http://www.ainm.ie/Tag.aspx?Type=opus&S ... &Valyoo=Fuínn%20na%20smól.

My proposal:
"tunes of the thrushes"

(smól: a variant of smólach, so in Standard Irish perhaps: Foinn na Smólach)

Bulaí fir! So smól is a variant of smólach... I've just come across Gleann na Smól - Glen/valley of the thrushes.

Did you actually read the entry for Pádraig Breathnach (the first Pádraig Breathnach - there are two of them) on the ainm.ie site, Labhrás? It's clearly fuinn, not fuínn. It's not quite so clear on the other site, but it looks much more like fuinn to me there too.

franc 91 · **Posted:** Thu 21 Jan 2016 12:01 pm

Fuair mé an leabhar seo inniu - and on the cover it's definitely - Fuínn na Smól.

franc 91 · **Posted:** Wed 27 Jan 2016 7:40 pm

This is taken from the footnotes at the bottom of the first page of Rí na mBréag. The entry in the glossary that explains it at the end of the book is hidden in the on-line version. I understand that it means a kind of rope that goes round the withers or belly of a horse or a donkey and that it is attached to its back. I don't understand - fá (fé ?)'n tár nó bol, hughaimeacha and what does - .1. mean here ? Here's the complete sentence -

(2) Tar-ghad, .1. an gad, téad, nó súgán fá 'n tár nó bol - agus cheanglas na hughaimeacha ar an ndruim.

Labhrás · **Joined:** Sat 03 May 2014 4:01 pm **Posts:** 1979

franc 91 wrote:

This is taken from the footnotes at the bottom of the first page of Rí na mBréag. The entry in the glossary that explains it at the end of the book is hidden in the on-line version. I understand that it means a kind of rope that goes round the withers or belly of a horse or a donkey and that it is attached to its back. I don't understand - fá (fé ?)'n tár nó bol, hughaimeacha and what does - .1. mean here ? Here's the complete sentence -

(2) Tar-ghad, .1. an gad, téad, nó súgán fá 'n tár nó bol - agus cheanglas na hughaimeacha ar an ndruim.

tar-ghad = gad thairr: belly-band?
.1. = .i.: id est
ughaim = úim: harness
ughaimeacha = úmacha: harnesses
agus cheanglas na hughaimeacha ar an ndruim = agus a cheanglíonn na húmacha ar an ndroim

franc 91 · **Posted:** Thu 28 Jan 2016 8:20 am

Go raibh maith agat a chara.

franc 91 · **Posted:** Thu 28 Jan 2016 11:02 pm

Here's a verb I can't find anywhere in any dictionary - apparently it means to thicken, but I'm not at all sure, and it's part of the process of making a straw rope - tiubhraín - dtiubhradh sibh
Here's the context -

Do casadh triúr ban orm ag cáthadh choirce i dtáirrigh dhoruis de na flaithis.
"A' dtuibhradh sibh adhbhar súgáin dom ?" arsa mise.
"Tiubhraín, arú, ar siad-san, agus thugadar.

Labhrás · **Joined:** Sat 03 May 2014 4:01 pm **Posts:** 1979

franc 91 wrote:

Here's a verb I can't find anywhere in any dictionary - apparently it means to thicken, but I'm not at all sure, and it's part of the process of making a straw rope - tiubhraín - dtiubhradh sibh
Here's the context -

Do casadh triúr ban orm ag cáthadh choirce i dtáirrigh dhoruis de na flaithis.
"A' dtuibhradh sibh adhbhar súgáin dom ?" arsa mise.
"Tiubhraín, arú, ar siad-san, agus thugadar.

An dtiubhradh = An dtiabharfadh ... = Would you give
Tiubhraín = Tiabharfainn = I'd give
(viz. ... agus thugadar = and they gave)

franc 91 · **Posted:** Fri 29 Jan 2016 9:04 am

Go raibh maith agat arís.

The other word I'm stuck on is - i dtáirrigh. It's obviously near the doors of heaven (I'm not there yet

) I wondering if it might mean threshold, in Dinneen it's táirseach which is vaguely similar.

Labhrás · **Joined:** Sat 03 May 2014 4:01 pm **Posts:** 1979

franc 91 wrote:

Go raibh maith agat arís.

The other word I'm stuck on is - i dtáirrigh. It's obviously near the doors of heaven (I'm not there yet

) I wondering if it might mean threshold, in Dinneen it's táirseach which is vaguely similar.

i dtarraingt, b'fhéidir. tarraingt dorais = draught of the doorway?

franc 91 · **Posted:** Fri 29 Jan 2016 9:37 am

B'fhéidir - they'd be using the draught from the door to sort the oats from the chaff ? or would it mean towards the door ?

If anyone's interested you can download the whole story from Internet Archive - Rí na mBréag - An Treas Roinn de Sgéaluidheacht Chúige Mumham ag Pádraig Ó Laoghaire.

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