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PostPosted: Thu 20 Apr 2017 2:38 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
But in Irish there are two palatalised L's and two palatalised N's...

Oh, I'm aware of that (thanks to Micheál Ó Siadhail's "Learning Irish"). :) It really is a harder part of Irish phonetics, though.
(I have no trouble distinguishing between broad and slender consonants, but to tell apart the two slender L's or N's is much more difficult.)


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Apr 2017 10:18 pm 
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Actually it's easy when you hear people who pronounce them properly (which isn't the case of 99% of non-native speakers, ie. most of what you can hear on the web).
/l'/ is a "light l", very slightly palatalised but you do't hear a y-sound.
/L'/ is more or less like the "ly" sound in "million", I guess it's like Russian ль

/n'/ is a "light n", very slightly palatalised but you do't hear a y-sound.
/N'/ is more or less like the "ny" sound in "new" (in UK English - Americans pronounce it as "noo" as far as I know), I guess it's like Russian нь

These sounds are very different and you can't mix them up at all.
The ones that are harder to distinguish are the broad ones : /n/ vs /N/, /l/ vs /L/. But I think many people don't make a distinction between them any more...

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Apr 2017 11:00 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
/N'/ is more or less like the "ny" sound in "new" (in UK English - Americans pronounce it as "noo" as far as I know), I guess it's like Russian нь

I think "minion" is a word where "ny" sound is pronounced the same on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. Most English speakers also are familiar with Spanish "señor".

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