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 Post subject: Copulish
PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2016 5:56 am 
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I've never played around much with the past tense of the copula, so I was caught out a bit when I was trying to think of how to say this last week:

"Was I the only one...

Could I say:

Ar mise an t-aon duine...

?

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 Post subject: Re: Copulish
PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2016 11:07 am 
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I believe it's "arbh". Which I'm guessing comes from "ar + raibh". That's what I say when talking anyway - arbh mise an t-aon duine...

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 Post subject: Re: Copulish
PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2016 12:36 pm 
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I personally would say an mba and use ar for the present tense (Ar dochtúr é -- Is he a doctor?), but I do think that's right in the standard. Gumbi, I think it would be ar over arbh because it starts with /m/. Like, Arbh eisean would be perfect. But, not 100% sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Copulish
PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2016 1:30 pm 
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Gumbi wrote:
I believe it's "arbh". Which I'm guessing comes from "ar + raibh". That's what I say when talking anyway - arbh mise an t-aon duine...

Wait for more.


Standard Irish arbh (which is originally an + ro + bha > a'r'bh' > arbh) only before words with an initial vowel or fh, otherwise ar.

I don't think "arbh mise" could be used in any dialect.


Ar mise an t-aon duine ... is correct - at least grammatically. But I'm doubtful if idiomatically as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Copulish
PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2016 2:37 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Gumbi wrote:
I believe it's "arbh". Which I'm guessing comes from "ar + raibh". That's what I say when talking anyway - arbh mise an t-aon duine...

Wait for more.


Standard Irish arbh (which is originally an + ro + bha > a'r'bh' > arbh) only before words with an initial vowel or fh, otherwise ar.

I don't think "arbh mise" could be used in any dialect.


Ar mise an t-aon duine ... is correct - at least grammatically. But I'm doubtful if idiomatically as well.


So would it be more idiomatic to say something like "Did anyone else...?"

Here's the context:

I was watching Ros na Rún last Thursday. They killed off a long-running character by having him just quietly slip away while resting after a dance. Two other characters found him, and a third joined them and checked his pulse, but no one did anything else about it....they just stared in horror at his wife. When talking with people about the episode afterward, what I'd wanted to say was "Was I the only person who wanted to yell at the screen "Do CPR, for Christ's sake! Or call an ambulance!"

I wasn't have trouble with any other part of the sentence, but suddenly realized that I've never done much with the past tense of the copula.

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 Post subject: Re: Copulish
PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2016 5:14 pm 
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Quote:
I believe it's "arbh". Which I'm guessing comes from "ar + raibh".


no, since "arbh" is a form of the copula and "raibh" isn't a form of the copula. And "raibh" can't be preceded by "ar", and anyway why would "arbh" and "an raibh" coexist if they were the same thing? :)

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That's what I say when talking anyway - arbh mise an t-aon duine...


"arbh" is only used before vowels: arbh é... = was he.

The past tense of the copula isn't necessary if the following verb is already in the past:

An tusa a rinn sin?
Is mise a bhris an fhuinneog.

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 Post subject: Re: Copulish
PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2016 10:20 pm 
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I'd say, for example "Was it me who did it":

An mise an t-aon duine a dhein é?

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 Post subject: Re: Copulish
PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep 2016 9:46 pm 
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An mise an t-aon duine a dhein é?


an mise a rinn(e)/dhein é?
No need of "an t-aon duine" if one translates your sentence.

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 Post subject: Re: Copulish
PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2016 9:22 am 
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I was translating Redwolf's sentence, but I accidentally forgot the "only" in the English.

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