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PostPosted: Sun 31 Jan 2016 11:41 am 
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Fair play to you franc91, that's not the easiest book to read, some of the stories contain very old constructions and grammar.

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb 2016 8:22 am 
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Go raibh maith agat Lon Dubh.


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Feb 2016 9:17 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
franc 91 wrote:
Here's a verb I can't find anywhere in any dictionary - apparently it means to thicken, but I'm not at all sure, and it's part of the process of making a straw rope - tiubhraín - dtiubhradh sibh
Here's the context -

Do casadh triúr ban orm ag cáthadh choirce i dtáirrigh dhoruis de na flaithis.
"A' dtuibhradh sibh adhbhar súgáin dom ?" arsa mise.
"Tiubhraín, arú, ar siad-san, agus thugadar.


An dtiubhradh = An dtiabharfadh ... = Would you give
Thiubhraín = Thiabharfainn = I'd give
(viz. ... agus thugadar = and they gave)


I think there should be a H there. There is in Conamara anyhow.


franc 91 wrote:
they'd be using the draught from the door to sort the oats from the chaff


I wouldn't want to be in heaven with that strong a draught. :LOL:


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2016 9:12 am 
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I'm using a printed text, so that's how it's spelled there. I can quite imagine that there would be a difference of dialect forms as compared with what they say in other parts of Ireland. As I said before, this comes from 'The King of Liars' one of a series of booklets of Munster folktales collected and retold by Father Peter O'Leary. You can read this one online or download it and print it out if you want to. In fact, this verb form is mentioned on the CorkIrish wordpress website - I should have looked there in the first place. The problem I have is that the printing sometimes isn't very clear or it has been obliterated. I see that all of these booklets are available in various public libraries across Ireland, but unfortunately they're not online. The same goes for the books by Brighid Ní Loingsigh - she translated quite a few folktales back into Irish. It seems such a pity - I think that they are important in Irish language and culture - either they're just not available or they're for sale from certain specialised second-hand booksellers at quite a high price. Apparently they are putting in place a 'Digital Initiative' in Ireland, but from what I can see it's only going to be for domestic use.
The texts that are available on Internet Archive come from collections in libraries in America or Canada. I can look at ancient manuscripts on ISOS - (though finding what you want there isn't always easy either), but I can't look at books printed in Irish published in the 1900's.

Watch this space, I'll be resuming this later on.


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