Lughaidh wrote:
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Damascus - nominative
Damaisc - Dative
....seriously!? How many other words follow this pattern in Old Irish? No, I'm no expert, but one looks like the original Latin to me and the second one Irish (Gaelicised).
you read too quickly maybe.
Latin Damascus should have become Damasc in Old Irish
I agree, theoritically if Damasc was taken into Old Irish, than Damascus should have been Damasc. The apocapy of latin terminations (i.e "us"; "um" etc..) of loanwards, where the "us" was knocked off, was common practise in Old Irish, so, Latin: *Bacallum (staff) --> Old. Ir Bachall
Lughaidh wrote:
Irish Damaisc should have come from Latin Damasci (or Damascis or something else with an -i-), which can't be a dative in my opinion. And anyway no masculine noun makes its dative case by making slender the last consonant(s) (except 1 exception: teach > toigh).
So there's a problem...
I agree here also, old Irish o-stems (first declention of modern Irish, where nouns ended in a broad consonant e.g fear > old.Ir fer) were broadened in the old Irish dative. So "Fer" would be "Fiur" in the the old. Ir Dative singular. Usually more modern representations of the real dative of Fear would have been "Fior" as often the "u" morphed into "o", this is very archaic now though, but still the dative plurl still exists: feraibh--> Fearaibh.
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