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silmeth · **Joined:** Fri 08 Jan 2016 11:37 pm **Posts:** 274

I have added two native speaker examples (Seán Ó Ruadháin from Mayo, Niall Ó Dónaill from Donegal) of exactly this structure in an edit above (at the same time as you were writing your response).

Beside this, Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí also accepts this construction:

Quote:

§18.32 Úsáidtear múnlaí 5A, 5B mar ábhar cainte: níor mhaith liom mo leanbh a fháil bháis; níorbh aon ionadh Niamh a theacht, agus mar fhaisnéis in abairt chopaileach: is é toil na comhairle gach duine a dhéanamh a ghnó féin; is é ordú a tugadh triúr fear a dhul i bhfolach.

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§18.36 In ionad múnlaí 5A, 5B a úsáid is minic a chuirtear an gníomhaí roimh mhúnlaí 1A, 1B. Fágann sin an gníomhaí agus an cuspóir araon san ainmneach i múnla 1A […]. 1A níor mhaith liom mo leanbh bás a fháil; dúirt mé Eibhlín an teach a dhíol; ba mhaith leo Seán an bhanaltra a phósadh. [...]

djwebb2021 · **Joined:** Thu 27 May 2021 3:22 am **Posts:** 1283

silmeth wrote:

I have added two native speaker examples (Seán Ó Ruadháin from Mayo, Niall Ó Dónaill from Donegal) of exactly this structure in an edit above (at the same time as you were writing your response).

Beside this, Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí also accepts this construction:

Quote:

§18.32 Úsáidtear múnlaí 5A, 5B mar ábhar cainte: níor mhaith liom mo leanbh a fháil bháis; níorbh aon ionadh Niamh a theacht, agus mar fhaisnéis in abairt chopaileach: is é toil na comhairle gach duine a dhéanamh a ghnó féin; is é ordú a tugadh triúr fear a dhul i bhfolach.

[…]

§18.36 In ionad múnlaí 5A, 5B a úsáid is minic a chuirtear an gníomhaí roimh mhúnlaí 1A, 1B. Fágann sin an gníomhaí agus an cuspóir araon san ainmneach i múnla 1A […]. 1A níor mhaith liom mo leanbh bás a fháil; dúirt mé Eibhlín an teach a dhíol; ba mhaith leo Seán an bhanaltra a phósadh. [...]

Thank you. I hadn't noticed 18.36 before. Do you think the loss of the genitive in much of the Gaeltacht is driving this? E.g. instead of saying .... tu a fhágáilt an tí, if they don't say tí and don't have a genitive, then it opens the way for other constructions. Probably novel???

Bungus mac · **Joined:** Wed 17 May 2023 3:47 am **Posts:** 22

I think one day I will try to compile all PUL's corrections of modern Irish into a book.[/quote]

I pray that the time comes to you such that it makes this a possibility. It sounds like it would be a powerful piece of work.
We need more systematic béarlachas busting.

djwebb2021 · **Joined:** Thu 27 May 2021 3:22 am **Posts:** 1283

Bungus mac wrote:

I think one day I will try to compile all PUL's corrections of modern Irish into a book.

I pray that the time comes to you such that it makes this a possibility. It sounds like it would be a powerful piece of work.
We need more systematic béarlachas busting.[/quote]

Er... well, I think the main people who have appointed themselves in charge of the Irish language aren't interested....

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