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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan 2021 8:27 pm 
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Am I right in thinking that she's got this wrong or not ? I seem to remember that Lugaidh (Loic Cheval) insists that this word ends without a glide .i. le - and not - lye - and similarly for the word - sáile ?
I've checked on Teanglann where for - sáile - the Cúige Uladh pronunciation does seem to have a slight glide after the 'l', but certainly not for - 'bhaile - in any of the three dialects and Darach Ó Catháin doesn't seem to pronounce it the way that she does either.

How to say "Óró, 'sé do bheatha 'bhaile," a famous song in Irish Gaelic - Bitesize Irish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaV55UaO48
Óró sé do bheatha 'bhaile - vaple21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFRCWg_kOc

http://www.teanglann.ie/ga/fuaim/ - sáile
http://www.teanglann.ie/ga/fuaim/abhaile


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan 2021 8:52 pm 
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franc 91 wrote:
Am I right in thinking that she's got this wrong or not ? I seem to remember that Lugaidh (Loic Cheval) insists that this word ends without a glide .i. le - and not - lye - and similarly for the word - sáile ?
I've checked on Teanglann where for - sáile - the Cúige Uladh pronunciation does seem to have a slight glide after the 'l', but certainly not for - 'bhaile - in any of the three dialects and Darach Ó Catháin doesn't seem to pronounce it the way that she does either.

How to say "Óró, 'sé do bheatha 'bhaile," a famous song in Irish Gaelic - Bitesize Irish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaV55UaO48
Óró sé do bheatha 'bhaile - vaple21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFRCWg_kOc

http://www.teanglann.ie/ga/fuaim/ - sáile
http://www.teanglann.ie/ga/fuaim/abhaile


It’s the Irish slender single /l´/ which is equivalent to the "normal" /l/ in many other languages, e.g. English, German or French.
It’s an apical alveolar approximant.
There’s really no need to "slenderize" it more. And of course no glide is necessary next to e, i.


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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jan 2021 4:13 pm 
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It's pronounced A-wall-ya


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jan 2021 9:09 pm 
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It's pronounced A-wall-ya


yes but only by learners and non-native speakers :mrgreen:

Native speakers pronounce a-wah-leh (Donegal & Connachta) or a-vah-leh (Munster).

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jan 2021 8:12 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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It's pronounced A-wall-ya


yes but only by learners and non-native speakers :mrgreen:

Native speakers pronounce a-wah-leh (Donegal & Connachta) or a-vah-leh (Munster).



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