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 Post subject: Cú, Gadhair agus madra?
PostPosted: Mon 09 Jan 2012 4:14 pm 
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Céard é go crinn an difríocht idir gadhar agus madra? Léigh mé in ait eigean gur í gadhar madra baineann agus ansin chuala gur é gadhar an madra oibre na féirme agus gur é madra an focal i gcóir madra a bhfuil ina bpéata [Is é seo an idirdhealú a chuala mé i gCorca Duibhne ar aon nós]

Fresin an bhfuil mé ceart ag úsaid cú i gcóir 'Hound'?

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Céard é go crinn an difríocht idir gadhar agus madra?


Deirtear "gadhar" i gConamara (agus madra, dar liom ach níl's agam cad é an duifear eatarthu
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), "madra" i Mumhain, agus "madadh" in Ultaibh.

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Fresin an bhfuil mé ceart ag úsaid cú i gcóir 'Hound'?


tá. Cú = hound.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jan 2012 10:34 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Deirtear "gadhar" i gConamara (agus madra, dar liom ach níl's agam cad é an duifear eatarthu


Níl 'fhíos 'am an bhfuil aon diffríocht ann.
Deirtear an dá fhocal. B'fhéidir go bhfuil "gadhar" beagáinín níos coitianta i gConamara, i gcás peata agus i gcás ceann a bheadh ag obair ar fheilm. Tá madra caorach ann, ach níor chuala riamh gadhar caorach.
Madra - ní fhuaimeaitear an R san uimhir uatha (singular).

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Is maith an cheist í ach b'fhearr linn go gcuirtear aistriúcháin i mBéarla le gach ráiteas as Gaeilge taobh amuigh den rannóg Craic (.i. Gaeilge Amháin, srl.), agus go háirid i gCúinne na bhFoghlaimeoirí, sa chaoi is go dtuigeann na foghlaimeoirí nach bhfuil ag leibhéal chomh hard libh féin a bhfuil á rá agaibh. Go raibh míle maith agaibh roimh ré as do chomhar a thabhairt linn.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jan 2012 10:51 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
Deirtear "gadhar" i gConamara (agus madra, dar liom ach níl's agam cad é an duifear eatarthu

Níl 'fhíos 'am an bhfuil aon diffríocht ann.
Deirtear an dá fhocal. B'fhéidir go bhfuil "gadhar" beagáinín níos coitianta i gConamara, i gcás peata agus i gcás ceann a bheadh ag obair ar fheilm. Tá madra caorach ann, ach níor chuala riamh gadhar caorach.
Madra - ní fhuaimeaitear an R san uimhir uatha (singular).

:yes: "Madadh" in áit "madra" i gConamara freisin ach is "gadhar" an focal coitianta.

(Madadh instead of madra in Connemara too but gadhar is the usual word.)

FWIW, "The Irish of Iorras Aithneach" also states "mada, m. Dog (the common, unmarked word is GADHAR)."

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jan 2012 4:14 am 
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Macbain's etymological dictionary says that gadhar, which was gagar in Old Irish and gadar in Middle Irish, originally meant hunting dog, and comes from the Norse gaggar, which has a root gag meaning "howl".

He says that madra/madadh (only the latter is now used in Scotland), which was madad in Old Irish and madrad in Middle Irish, originally meant "mastiff", and came from a (Celtic?) root *maddo- or *mas-do, which he says has a "connection" with the English "mastiff", from the Old French mestiff, which is apparently from *mansatinus, meaning "house dog". From the way that the entry is written, it isn't clear to me whether he is saying that the French root is from Latin or from a Celtic source (he is sometimes not as clear as he could be).

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Sa Mumhan, gadhar is ea an focal dog i gcoitinne. Deirtear madra mar mutt no mongrel. Ach ceapaim nach bhfuil sin fíor in áiteanna eile.

In Munster, gadhar is a general term for dog. Madra is a mutt or mongrel. But I don't think that's true in other places.


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