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PostPosted: Fri 24 May 2019 2:43 pm 
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A chairde,

Chuir mé an ceist seo roimhe (anseo, nó ar Gaeilge Amháin...ní cuimhin liom cén áit) ach ní cuimhin liom an freagra. Cad é mar a dearfá "market research company" as Gaeilge? "Comhlacht thaighde margaidh?" Nó rud éigin eile?

GRMA,

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PostPosted: Fri 24 May 2019 5:08 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
A chairde,

Chuir mé an ceist seo roimhe (anseo, nó ar Gaeilge Amháin...ní cuimhin liom cén áit) ach ní cuimhin liom an freagra. Cad é mar a dearfá "market research company" as Gaeilge? "Comhlacht thaighde margaidh?" Nó rud éigin eile?

GRMA,

Redwolf



"Comhlacht taighde mhargaidh" a déarfainn.

nominative masculine + genitive masculine + genitive masculine.

nom. masc. + gen. = no lenition, comhlacht taighde
gen. masc. + gen. = lenition, taighde mhargaidh


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PostPosted: Sat 25 May 2019 3:32 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
A chairde,

Chuir mé an ceist seo roimhe (anseo, nó ar Gaeilge Amháin...ní cuimhin liom cén áit) ach ní cuimhin liom an freagra. Cad é mar a dearfá "market research company" as Gaeilge? "Comhlacht thaighde margaidh?" Nó rud éigin eile?

GRMA,

Redwolf



"Comhlacht taighde mhargaidh" a déarfainn.

nominative masculine + genitive masculine + genitive masculine.

nom. masc. + gen. = no lenition, comhlacht taighde
gen. masc. + gen. = lenition, taighde mhargaidh


Ach céard faoi an "ginideach dúbailte"? De réir Nualeargais:

"When two nouns in the genitive directly follow one another, to avoid a double genitive
Instead the first is lenited in the nominative and only the second is in the genitive. This is the so-called "functional genitive", the first noun is "functional" in genitive relation, but keeps the nominative form and is lenited."

DNTLS, b'fhéidir?

GRMA

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PostPosted: Sat 25 May 2019 4:13 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
Ach céard faoi an "ginideach dúbailte"? De réir Nualeargais:

"When two nouns in the genitive directly follow one another, to avoid a double genitive
Instead the first is lenited in the nominative and only the second is in the genitive. This is the so-called "functional genitive", the first noun is "functional" in genitive relation, but keeps the nominative form and is lenited."

DNTLS, b'fhéidir?

GRMA

Redwolf


A good point.

1) Nonlenition of taighde
General lenition in "functional genitive" is confined to definite nouns
e.g. something like comhlacht thaighde an mhargaidh. (taighde being in nominative form but lenited)

But in our case all nouns are indefinite.
In indefinite noun phrases, gender is important: comhlacht is masculine - so it causes never lenition of indefinite nouns, real or functional genitive.

2) Lenition or nonlenition of margaidh
Of course a "functional genitive" could occur in indefinite noun phrases as well.
It depends on the "ionad brí":
Is it a [research company] for markets? - no functional genitive
Or is it a company for [market research]? - possible functional genitive

In the first case: comhlacht taighde mhargaidh
In the second case: comhlacht taighde margaidh.
But functional genitive isn't mandatory, so comhlacht taighde mhargaidh (double genitive) is prob. okay, too.


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PostPosted: Sat 25 May 2019 6:18 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
Ach céard faoi an "ginideach dúbailte"? De réir Nualeargais:

"When two nouns in the genitive directly follow one another, to avoid a double genitive
Instead the first is lenited in the nominative and only the second is in the genitive. This is the so-called "functional genitive", the first noun is "functional" in genitive relation, but keeps the nominative form and is lenited."

DNTLS, b'fhéidir?

GRMA

Redwolf


A good point.

1) Nonlenition of taighde
General lenition in "functional genitive" is confined to definite nouns
e.g. something like comhlacht thaighde an mhargaidh. (taighde being in nominative form but lenited)

But in our case all nouns are indefinite.
In indefinite noun phrases, gender is important: comhlacht is masculine - so it causes never lenition of indefinite nouns, real or functional genitive.

2) Lenition or nonlenition of margaidh
Of course a "functional genitive" could occur in indefinite noun phrases as well.
It depends on the "ionad brí":
Is it a [research company] for markets? - no functional genitive
Or is it a company for [market research]? - possible functional genitive

In the first case: comhlacht taighde mhargaidh
In the second case: comhlacht taighde margaidh.
But functional genitive isn't mandatory, so comhlacht taighde mhargaidh (double genitive) is prob. okay, too.


GRMMA!

It's a company that does market research for tech firms, so the second would apply then.

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