A basic foundation for pronunciation?

mimerim · **Posted:** Fri 23 Dec 2011 5:55 pm

Wow thanks, that is awesome. I hear it here. I'll practice this until my family kicks me out of the house, then I'll re-record, and you all can tell me how much more practicing I need. :panic:

Why did I pick such a silly line to learn? Next time I'll choose something nice, like, "Peace on Earth for everyone." :bolt:

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2985

Poor Fagan

There are differences between Cois Fharraige, South Conamara, and Iorras Aithneach.
EVen between Ros a 'Mhíl and An Cheathrú Rua people will notice slight nuances that are different.
I'm not very observative myself. But Benjamin notices, and he can also tell you, on the bus to Galway, exactly where people stop speaking Irish.

I think An Cheathrú Rua is in the South Conamara dialect, we are not quite Cois Fharraige. (dialect experts can correct me)
This is how I'd say it.(when you say it in speech words run together) -

http://www.box.com/s/9f36qlxbm7avao7gluz9

[url]http://irishlearner.awyr.com/membrfaylz/bridmhor/Tá_an_cail%C3%ADn_ramhar_ag_damhsa.mp3[/url]

You can change that link if you like Breandán

mimerim · **Posted:** Fri 23 Dec 2011 7:59 pm

Bríd Mhór wrote:

This is how I'd say it.(when you say it in speech words run together) -

http://www.box.com/s/9f36qlxbm7avao7gluz9

This is fabulous. And what thrills me is that two weeks ago this would have sounded like gibberish to me (no offense--I was just so much less familiar with the language). But now I can hear each word, and I know what they are. Progress rules!

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2985

mimerim wrote:

And what thrills me is that two weeks ago this would have sounded like gibberish to me (no offense--I was just so much less familiar with the language). But now I can hear each word, and I know what they are. Progress rules!

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Comhghairdeachas a Mhimerim! :good:

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I think An Cheathrú Rua is in the South Conamara dialect, we are not quite Cois Fharraige. (dialect experts can correct me)

Yeah, what is specific to Cois Fhairrge, is that they don't pronounce the h sounds (no matter if they are spelt h, th, sh), except sometimes at the beginning of words. While you do, in an Cheathrú Ruadh

Breandán · **Posted:** Sat 24 Dec 2011 12:34 am

Bríd, thanks for posting your soundfile. I uploaded the file here to ILF as well, in case the box file disappears down the line, but the long URL breaks in PHP so I've left the Box link in your post as it is easier to access. I'd love to hear your version of Níor rith sé amach and Tá carr agam as well, for reference.

Even within the recordings of Iorras Aithneach (West Connemara), some people pronounce rith as RIH /rih/, others as if it were spelled rich RIKH /rix/, and others as ROO /ru/.

Likewise, some people pronounce ramhar with more of a fricative v sound, others more like a w.

There is actually no single "correct" pronunciation. Native pronunciations lie on a spectrum that is influenced by region, family history, age and other factors. I aim first to get inside the native map but not necessarily absolutely true to a particular dialect or subdialect, that refinement can come later.

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2985

Breandán wrote:

Níor rith sé amach and Tá carr agam

http://www.box.com/s/pq0esj00exaj4f9ghe1a

Maybe it's just me but I find it a bit difficult to say "níor" in a sentence. It comes out more like "ní".

Breandán · **Posted:** Sat 24 Dec 2011 1:30 am

Especially when there are two r's together like that. :yes:

Breandán · **Posted:** Sat 24 Dec 2011 2:10 am

Just a note about Bríd's version - agam gets shortened to a'm in rapid speech in Connemara, so Tá carr agam becomes Tá carr a'm.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

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Maybe it's just me but I find it a bit difficult to say "níor" in a sentence. It comes out more like "ní".

I'd say there's no difference in pronunciation between "níor rith" and "*ní rith", as Breandán says, the two r's come together. So you say "níor" but you think you say "ní"

/N'i(:)ris'e(:)max/

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