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PostPosted: Wed 29 Apr 2015 11:34 pm 
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Má thá aoinne dh'iarraidh aghaidh a thabhairt ar an Seana-Ghaoluinn don chéad uair, ní mór duit an leabhar so a cheannach:

A Student's Companion to Old Irish Grammar by Ranke de Vries

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_nos ... h+de+vries

Cé go bhfuil fadhbanna thall is abhus leis is fiú súil a chaitheamh ar an leabhar so chun cur amach éigint dh'fháilt sara dtugann tú fésna leabhrachaibh gramadaí eile a bhíonn rud beag níos deimhne agus níos casta, cosúil le leabhar graiméir Thurneysen srl..., óir is minic a chuireann na leabhracha so mearbhall is crá croí ar dhaoinibh.

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If anyone is looking to get stuck into Old Irish for the first time, I would really recommend this book:

A Student's Companion to Old Irish Grammar by Ranke de Vries

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_nos ... h+de+vries

Companion is the right word for it, for if anyone has ever tried to navigate the Old Irish verbal system you'll know what I mean.

There are a few issues here and there, but the book is brilliant at giving you an introduction to particular facets of grammar, so that your better able to tackle the more authoritative Grammars such as Thurneysen's Grammar or Bergin's Old Irish Paradigms.

The book is really accessible for those who aren't big into linguistic jargon, and its written in a sort of 'Old Irish for Dummies' style which can be amusing and tends to keep you sane.

Cian

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2015 3:20 am 
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Tá sé sin, leabhar Stifter agus An Old Irish Primer agamsa. Is maith liom é, ach níl mé ag déanamh staidéir ar an teanga faoi láthair (ach tá suim again inti). Aon leabhair eile a mholann tú?


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2015 9:22 am 
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The RIA have this on their list which they say is an essential text-book for beginners in Old-Irish

Stories from the Táin - Third Edition - ISBN 978 1 8740 4526 7


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2015 4:58 pm 
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Thá ana chuid leabhar Gramadaí ann:

Is é A Grammar of Old Irish le Thurneysen an leabhar is ughdarásaí, ach is i gcomhair teangeolaithe é i ndáiríribh agus mura bhfuil cúlra teangeolaíochta agat bheadh crá croí ort tabhairt fén Sengoídelc leis an leabhar seo amháin.

Thá alt aige Kim McCone An tSean-Ghaeilge agus a Réamhstair insan leabhar mór millteach Stair na Gaeilge. Thá'n t-alt so rud beag tiubh leis.

Thá Sean-Ghaeilge gan dua le Pádraig Ó Fiannachta ann, ach thá'n leabhar san go huile is hiomlán as Gaoluinn agus níl aon chur amach agamsa air i ndáiríribh.

Thá dhá leabhar eile a úsáidtear i bhfochair a chéile de ghnáth, Old Irish Workbook le Quin agus Old Irish Paradigms le Bergin (tháid le fáil ar shuíomh an RIA). Thá'n Old Irish Workbook roinnte i gcaibidilibh sothuigithe, mar shampla tosnaíonn sé leis an ainmhfhocal (gas-o) agus an aimsir láithreach agus éiríonn sé níos diochra ó shoin amach, so bíonn forbairt i gceist. Tá 20 aistriúchán (ceachtanna) le déanamh i ndiaidh gach caibidil agus ansin úsáidtear na Paradigms (Bergin) chun cabhrú leat. Ach bíd na míniúcháin rud beag gonta agus bán sa Workbook agus ní bhíonn ach Paradigms san Old Irish Paradigms mar sin is fiú féachaint ar an Student's Companion to Old Irish agus na foinsí eile i dteannta a chéile chun eolas breise a thabhairt duit ionas go bhféadfaí na gnéithe gramadaí a thuiscint 7 dh'fhoghlaim.

Im thuairimse bíonn sé i bhfad ró-dheachair aghaidh a thabhairt ar théacs iomlán Seana-Ghaoluinne i dtosach, molaimse go hard ceachtanna beaga a dhéanadh ar dtúis.

Sin an chúis adeirimse: mura dtugann na leabhracha gramadaí eile ceachtanna le déanadh (níl fhios agam a' mbíonn ceachtanna i leabharachaibh Stifter?) Is fiú an Workbook a cheannach óir go stiúrann sé do chuid staidéir.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2015 6:22 pm 
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Go raibh maith 'ad a chara. Is dóigh go gceannóidh mé Old Irish Workbook.

Agus, tá ceachtannaí i Stifter agus tá na freagraí sa leabhair freisin.


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2015 6:29 pm 
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galaxyrocker wrote:
Go raibh maith 'ad a chara. Is dóigh go gceannóidh mé Old Irish Workbook.

Agus, tá ceachtannaí i Stifter agus tá na freagraí sa leabhair freisin.


:good: Má thá ceachtanna i Stifter ní dóigh'l gurb fhiú an workbook a cheannach mar sin.

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