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PostPosted: Wed 11 Mar 2015 2:38 pm 
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This page is a prepositional pronoun reference for learners (or for people like me, who tend to forget how to conjugate prepositions I don't use frequently!) Apparently you can quiz yourself on them as well:

http://www.irishpage.com/quiz/preppron.htm

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Redwolf wrote:
This page is a prepositional pronoun reference for learners (or for people like me, who tend to forget how to conjugate prepositions I don't use frequently!) Apparently you can quiz yourself on them as well:

http://www.irishpage.com/quiz/preppron.htm

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GRMA Redwolf. I think that the matter of prepositions and prepositional pronouns do not receive adequate coverage in the grammar textbooks. The use of a preposition or prepositional pronoun can completely change the meaning of a verb or phrase. The use of ''de'' and ''do' are ised interchangeably by different authors within the same Gaeltacht region. It may be dialectical but it is not consistent.
In today's Nuacht RTE was the following sentence:
Líomhnaigh iar bhall don IRA, Paudie McGahon, gur éignigh ball sínsireach don IRA é nuair a bhí sé 17 d'aois ina thigh i gContae Lú sna 90aidí.
I would have expected ''ball den IRA'' agus ''ball sinsearach den IRA''

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Mar 2015 6:01 pm 
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You'll find those in use in the Gaeltacht here:

http://annexedicoirlandais.free.fr/pronprep.html

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Mar 2015 6:36 pm 
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There are three little recurring patterns that make prepositional pronouns easier.

mé and tú forms share the same root, and end -m and -t respectively (2 exceptions: liom/leat and dom/duit)

sinn and sibh forms share the same root, and end -inn and -ibh (or -ínn and -íbh) respectively (1 exception: dúinn/daoibh)

Where the siad form ends in -u (ie not díobh, dóibh or leo), the si form is just a slenderised version of the siad form (the -u becomes -i, and an -i- is inserted before the consonant(s)). Note, though, eatarthu/idir í isn't really an exception, because there's no such thing as "between her" -- something is "between (A and B)", not "(between A) and B", so the first pronoun in a "A and B" type phrase shouldn't really merge with the preposition anyway.

(Is there any other pattern I'm missing?)

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Mar 2015 12:11 am 
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Actually the mé, tú, sé, sí forms of idir only stopped being used at the end of the 19th century, you'd see them in a few books.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Mar 2015 12:16 am 
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In what sentences would you use "between me" etc ? :)

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Mar 2015 12:22 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
In what sentences would you use "between me" etc ? :)

It was used in the first half of "between me and you" and phrases like that.

Níl aon difear eadaram féin agus tú féin.

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2015 2:58 pm 
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i was wondering about that :)

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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
In what sentences would you use "between me" etc ? :)

It was used in the first half of "between me and you" and phrases like that.

Níl aon difear eadaram féin agus tú féin.


We say "eadarainn" in Conamara.
Coinnigh idir mé féin tú féin é.
Coinnigh eadarainn féin é.


It's not quite the same word...


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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2015 9:23 pm 
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We say "eadarainn" in Conamara.
Coinnigh idir mé féin tú féin é.
Coinnigh eadarainn féin é.

It's not quite the same word...

Same in Munster, i.e. eadarainn and me féin/tu féin. Only very old books have eadaram.

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