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 Post subject: -adh/ú
PostPosted: Tue 14 Apr 2015 1:28 pm 
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Any Ulster speakers about? In termsn of pronunciation is -adh pretty much always pronounced ú?

Bheireadh sé...(ver-ú)
Thugadh sé a sheoladh...(hug-ú / show-lú)
Bhéarfadh an madra an liathróid (Ver-hú)
Rinneadh an balla. (Rin-ú)

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 Post subject: Re: -adh/ú
PostPosted: Tue 14 Apr 2015 3:25 pm 
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-Adh is pronounced like -ú, BUT when followed by the subject pronouns sé, sí, (sinn), sibh, siad (and seisean, sise etc), and probably seo, sin, siod, -adh is pronounced /ət'/. As if "rachadh sé" was spelt "rachaitsé" etc.
The past habitual is frequently replaced by either the conditional, or by "ba ghnách..."+ verbal noun.

Bhéarfadh sé... /v'eːrhət's'a/
Bhéarfadh an madadh ar an liathróid /v'eːrhu: n maduː er' ə l'iəhrad'/
Rinneadh an balla. /riN'u: n baLə/

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 Post subject: Re: -adh/ú
PostPosted: Tue 14 Apr 2015 5:51 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: -adh/ú
PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2015 7:01 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
"rachaitsé"

...to the moon...? ;)

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 Post subject: Re: -adh/ú
PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2015 7:17 pm 
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NiallBeag wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
"rachaitsé"

...to the moon...? ;)


Sea, go dtí an Mumhain.


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 Post subject: Re: -adh/ú
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Labhrás wrote:
NiallBeag wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
"rachaitsé"

...to the moon...? ;)

Sea, go dtí an Mumhain.

:LOL: Agus an rachait sib'se go dtí an Mumhain?

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 Post subject: Re: -adh/ú
PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2015 12:04 pm 
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Has anyone ever done an analysis of the variance between /x/ and /ú/ for the modal endings as they vary by verb with a dialect. I thought it might be -ú before a consonant and -ach before a vowel, but that doesn't hold, I don't think

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 Post subject: Re: -adh/ú
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Jay Bee wrote:
Has anyone ever done an analysis of the variance between /x/ and /ú/ for the modal endings as they vary by verb with a dialect. I thought it might be -ú before a consonant and -ach before a vowel, but that doesn't hold, I don't think

It might be more arbitrary than that. In ScG, the /u:/ ending is -amh. I'm aware of 4 verbal noun endings in ScG -- -adh,-inn,-il, and -amh. Dialects don't always agree on endings -- eg following is leantail in Argyle, but leantainn in most other areas (but lifting is almost universally togail). I can't think of an -amh word other than dèanamh (although I'm sure there are a few).

"-ú" may be a conservation of the -amh ending, just in a lot of words that the most documented dialects would have another ending for.

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 Post subject: Re: -adh/ú
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Yes, it seems to be, if not arbitrary, at least apparently so as the system settled down to a different ending depending on verb and mood, all learned at the mother's knee, as it were

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 Post subject: Re: -adh/ú
PostPosted: Sun 21 Jun 2015 12:26 pm 
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-adh is ú throughout Mayo as well and places in north Connemara


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