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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2015 10:19 am 
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Hi,
Have recently signed up to distance learning irish language course for leaving cert 2016 and have this morning opened Lesson 1. all about nouns etc. Brings me hurtling back to leaving cert days of 1995, internally screaming! Something i have always wanted to resit since then(20 years on!) as i was dropped to ordinary level after Pre's. Hoping to reapply for a teaching qualification in the near future,perhaps a mid life crisis or bucket list!! But i am determined to do it and know i can with some help. Just looking for a bit of help with some crazy stuff if thats ok. Can someone literally translate these for me and then tell me what it means in ordinary english,lol.

Ní shéimhítear aimnfhocal firinscneach sa tuiseal ainmneach nó cuspóireach uatha ach séimhítear é sa ginideach.

Ní shéimhítear an aidiacht i ndiadh ainmfhocail fhirinscnigh sa tuiseal ainmneach nó cuspóireach uatha, ach séimhítear é sa ginideach Uatha.


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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2015 1:04 pm 
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I guess you're talking about masculine nouns after the articles

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Ní shéimhítear aimnfhocal firinscneach sa tuiseal ainmneach nó cuspóireach uatha ach séimhítear é sa ginideach.


One doesn't lenite a masculine noun in the nominative nor in the accusative cases, but one lenites it in the genitive.

which means you'd say "Tá an fear ansin" (the man is there). "Feicim an fear" (I see the man). But "hata an fhir" (the man's hat).
To lenite = to put a séimhiú on a consonant (you add an h after the initial letters b, c, f, g, m, p after the article in the genitive case: hata an fhir...)

nominative case = when your noun is the subject of your verb (the man is, the man eats...)
accusative case = when your noun is the direct object of your verb (I see the man, I take the man...)
genitive case = when you have "of" or 's in English (the man's hat, the hat of the man).

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Ní shéimhítear an aidiacht i ndiadh ainmfhocail fhirinscnigh sa tuiseal ainmneach nó cuspóireach uatha, ach séimhítear é sa ginideach Uatha.


One doesn't lenite the adjective after a masculine noun in the nominative case nor in the accusative case, but one lenites it in the genitive singular.

Same thing:
Tá an fear beag ansin = the small man is there. (Nominative=subject)
Feicim an fear beag. = I see the small man (accusative=direct object)
Hata an fhir bhig = the hat of the small man.

If it's not clear enough, feel free to ask more questions.

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Mar 2015 12:59 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
I guess you're talking about masculine nouns after the articles

Quote:
Ní shéimhítear aimnfhocal firinscneach sa tuiseal ainmneach nó cuspóireach uatha ach séimhítear é sa ginideach.


One doesn't lenite a masculine noun in the nominative nor in the accusative cases, but one lenites it in the genitive.

which means you'd say "Tá an fear ansin" (the man is there). "Feicim an fear" (I see the man). But "hata an fhir" (the man's hat).
To lenite = to put a séimhiú on a consonant (you add an h after the initial letters b, c, f, g, m, p after the article in the genitive case: hata an fhir...)

nominative case = when your noun is the subject of your verb (the man is, the man eats...)
accusative case = when your noun is the direct object of your verb (I see the man, I take the man...)
genitive case = when you have "of" or 's in English (the man's hat, the hat of the man).

Quote:
Ní shéimhítear an aidiacht i ndiadh ainmfhocail fhirinscnigh sa tuiseal ainmneach nó cuspóireach uatha, ach séimhítear é sa ginideach Uatha.


One doesn't lenite the adjective after a masculine noun in the nominative case nor in the accusative case, but one lenites it in the genitive singular.

Same thing:
Tá an fear beag ansin = the small man is there. (Nominative=subject)
Feicim an fear beag. = I see the small man (accusative=direct object)
Hata an fhir bhig = the hat of the small man.

If it's not clear enough, feel free to ask more questions.
And this month's award for the most thorough yet understandable explanation goes to Lughaidh! :clap:

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Mar 2015 7:29 pm 
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Saoirse wrote:
And this month's award for the most thorough yet understandable explanation goes to Lughaidh! :clap:


inorite. he's awesome.

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