Hi all,

Just looking at some stuff in Teach Yourself Irish and on page 14, in the aspiration section it talks about "trí dhearmhad" - "through (by) mistake"... now in my head dearmad is a mistake, rather than dearmhad... is it an alternative spelling? or does the trí modify dearmad this way? I would have thought it was trí dhearmad?

I know TYI is primarily West Munster Irish, is it a dialect spelling? I couldn't find dearmhad in Ó Dónaill.

Thanks,
Fionnuala

First, is this the old TYI or the newer one? The old one is Munster, but the newer one is Caighdeán.

I'm guessing it's a mistake. One of the problems I have with TYI (the newer one, anyway) is it contains a fair number of mistakes. If it's the older one, it might be a dialect form, but if so, it should be consistent throughout.

Simple prepositions such as "trí" can cause initial mutations, but they'd never change the middle of a word like that.

Redwolf

And if it were - three mistakes - what would that be?

It's the 1961, thanks.

Trí dhearmhad is quite correct and is used in Munster Irish (I don't know about other dialects).

Dearmhad matches the Munster pronunciation of that word – well, definitely in Cork, anyway, it's pronounced "dya-ROOD"

If you look up the word dearmad in Foclóir Gaeilge-Béarla you will see dearmhad listed at the end as a "variant" spelling.

Just to add, Dearmhad* is the older spelling, most people write it as dearúd now, you can find Dearúd as an alternative on page 386, column 2 of FGB.

To hear dearúd being said: http://www.focloir.ie/en/dictionary/ei/forget?q=forget (click on the highlighted M for Munster pronunciation).

You can also use dearmhad/ dearúd as a verb i.e. Do Dhearúdas I forgot

tré is also used in Munster for trí for through/ by.

*How dearmad or Dearmhad came to be pronounced dearúd may seem odd, but its not when you compare it to other examples.

When an interior "mh"/ "gh"/ "dh" was proceeded and preceded by a guta leathan, i.e. -amha-, -adha- (to a lesser extent), -agha- they often, overtime became a -ú- sound.

Can(a)mhaint > canúint
Cosamhail > cosúil
ag marbhaghadh/ marbhamhadh> ag mar(bh)ú
Athraghadh > athrú

Seachtmhain > seachtain (being one of the many exceptions)

Cian

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Isn't it nearby always the case in Munster anyways?

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I was just commenting about medial lengthening. Redundant comment!

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