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PostPosted: Tue 18 Dec 2012 4:34 am 
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Thank you all, for the work invested! Can anyone give confirmation of:

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Tá sé ar intinn againn gan bás a dh'fháilt go deo
?

Thanks in advance :)


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PostPosted: Wed 19 Dec 2012 11:51 pm 
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MacDraiocht wrote:
Thank you all, for the work invested! Can anyone give confirmation of:

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Tá sé ar intinn againn gan bás a dh'fháilt go deo
?

Thanks in advance :)


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec 2012 12:45 am 
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I can confirm it insofar as it has the same structure as what I proposed and An Cionnfhaolach's embellishments look decidedly authentically Munstery. :winkgrin:

Can any Munster speakers verify the Munster forms, please?

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec 2012 1:25 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
I can confirm it insofar as it has the same structure as what I proposed and An Cionnfhaolach's embellishments look decidedly authentically Munstery. :winkgrin:

Can any Munster speakers verify the Munster forms, please?


:D , what about a less literal option:

Ní ghéillfimíd don *bhás/ #mbás go deo

We will never surrender to death

í Munster Irish accents the i! Whereas, the Standard doesn't.

* Cork Irish lenites

# Kerry Irish nasalises and Déise Irish tends to nasalise also, though leniting isn't totally uncommon either after don.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec 2012 1:38 pm 
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Breandán wrote:
I can confirm it insofar as it has the same structure as what I proposed and An Cionnfhaolach's embellishments look decidedly authentically Munstery. :winkgrin:

Can any Munster speakers verify the Munster forms, please?


:D , what about a less literal option:

Ní ghéillfimíd don *bhás/ #mbás go deo

We will never surrender to death



This looks good to me. What about the usage of go deo/choíche/riamh/ariamh as regards dialect? This is where I have no idea about who says what where! (and it's why I said before 'I know nothing about dialects' - an exaggeration which met with some disapproval!!!)


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec 2012 1:52 pm 
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Scooby wrote:
An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Breandán wrote:
I can confirm it insofar as it has the same structure as what I proposed and An Cionnfhaolach's embellishments look decidedly authentically Munstery. :winkgrin:

Can any Munster speakers verify the Munster forms, please?


:D , what about a less literal option:

Ní ghéillfimíd don *bhás/ #mbás go deo

We will never surrender to death



This looks good to me. What about the usage of go deo/choíche/riamh/ariamh as regards dialect? This is where I have no idea about who says what where! (and it's why I said before 'I know nothing about dialects' - an exaggeration which met with some disapproval!!!)


:LOL: , the shame! ;) :LOL: ! Only joking!

I'm pretty sure "choíche" and "ariamh" is Conamara! However, "riamh" and "ariamh" should only be used with the past tense!

You could always use "go brách" instead of "go deo"!

Ní ghéillfimíd don bhás/ mbás go deo

Ní ghéillfimíd don bhás/ mbás go brách

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec 2012 2:14 pm 
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In Munster Riamh is ever/forever in the past and Choíche is ever/forever in the future. Roughly speaking, choíche can be used in the past.

Bhí sí á leanúint riamh is choíche = She was always following him.

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An Lon Dubh wrote:
In Munster Riamh is ever/forever in the past and Choíche is ever/forever in the future


Noted! :good: :GRMA:

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec 2012 4:10 pm 
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Riamh in the past tense only almost sounds right to me!

But what about: Go raibh tú riamh amhlaidh and Anois nó riamh - both of which are in FGB. I've also heard Ní fheicfidh mé riamh arís é.


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I think riamh/ariamh is one of the few, possibly the only adverb, that can be used for "ever/never" in both past and future meanings. (Conamara uses the spelling ariamh because their word has a slender r, whereas initial slender r's are usually broadened.)

Dinneen (1927) has:

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riaṁ, ad., before, before this, up to this, always or at any time, in the past, al. in present (M.), smt. in future (M.) ; with neg. never, not at all; r. is ċoiḋċe, ever and always, forever (past and future) ; anois agus r., now and forever ; ...


But we only really need the future here. ;)

Go brách and choíche sound more Munster to me. Conamara would tend to use go deo and choíchín instead of those.

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