Hi, I'm new to this great forum and would appreciate the following translation which is considered for tattoo:

Angels forever, forever Angels

Thank you.
Cheers

Don't they both mean the same thing?

Hi, welcome to the forum, raymoulder.

In Irish, the adverbs don't tend to get moved around to the front of the sentence in the same way that they can in Germanic languages such as English. There are ways to do it but putting them at the front requires a little more grammar that won't result in the same symmetry that you get with your English version.

Is there some subtle difference in meaning to you between these two parts, i.e., "Angels forever" and "forever Angels"? or is it more a visual balance effect?

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

Hello and thank you for your quick replies.
Well, let me try to get you some better idea of what I mean:
This phrase "Angels forever, forever Angels" has more or less the same meaning like the phrase
"one for all and all for one". It should express solidarity and affiliation to something.

Hope this would help.
cheers

The problem is that on the face of it, Angels forever means exactly the same thing as forever Angels. The other phrase you compare it to is quite different in that regard.

You may read the phrase quite differently i.e. you may assign different interpretations to the two parts of the phrase. If so, then you will have to spell out exactly how you read each part. Otherwise, a proper translation is unlikely.

For example, in the first part, do you mean 'May (the) Angels live on forever and never die out' (I'm thinking of a group of Hell's Angels or something here). In the second part, do you mean 'We remain Angels always' i.e. each individual is unswervingly dedicated to the group until death (and beyond?!)

Exactly. it seems like you're using it, as Breandán said for some kind of balance, which is fine, of course. In English, they both mean the same thing (unless you can inform us otherwise) and just because you can rearrange so easily in English doesn't mean the same is possible in Irish.

Something that might work (though it's not exactly what is asked for):

Aingil i gcónaí; aingil go brách (Always angels; forever angels)

Or...

Aingil go síor, aingil go brách (Eternally angels; forever angels)

Just trying to throw out a few ideas.

Redwolf

That mightn't be a bad idea!

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Please wait for corrections/ more input from other forum members before acting on advice

And another:

Fíor-Aingil, Síor-Aingil "True Angels, Eternal Angels"

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

You guys are right, Angels forever, forever Angels in English has the same meaning, so I think it's gonna be a bit hard to find an accurate translation.
I think Breandán's version comes pretty close.
The statement is, that real / true Angels will never die and will be unforgotten wherever they might be, in heaven or hell... this is dedicated to two brothers / buddies of mine who passed away.