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 Post subject: Tír Chonaill
PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec 2012 12:29 pm 
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I don't think I've heard any speaker from Tír Chonaill use anything other than 'ábalta', 'bcoz', or 'but', instead of 'i n-ann', 'mar', or 'ach', at least in the recent past. Is there a long history of such usage ?
Has 'tábla', instead of 'bórd' or 'clár' been used for a similar length of time ? These are just some of the more béarlachas which come to mind.

The ones which grate most are 'but' and 'bcoz'.


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 Post subject: Re: Tír Chonaill
PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec 2012 1:43 pm 
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I don't think I've heard any speaker from Tír Chonaill use anything other than 'ábalta', 'bcoz', or 'but', instead of 'i n-ann', 'mar', or 'ach', at least in the recent past. Is there a long history of such usage ?
Has 'tábla', instead of 'bórd' or 'clár' been used for a similar length of time ? These are just some of the more béarlachas which come to mind.

The ones which grate most are 'but' and 'bcoz'.


ábalta is the normal word to say "able" in Ulster. If you only heard "because" and "but" in Tír Chonaill, I guess you haven't heard many people from there. To say "because", people say "cionn is go" or "siocair go" or "mar go" or "nó" (and some others). To say "but", people say "ach" as all other Irish speakers. Just listen to Barrscéalta on RnaG and you'll hear that people don't only use "but" and "because"...
"tábla" is as English as "bord". :) (btw I think "bord" is English borrowed itself from Old Norse or something like that)
All Irish speakers use some English loanwords, but not always the same ones. And there was always loanwords in Irish, even in Old Irish ie. more than 1200 years ago, but the older they are, the less recognizable they are (do you know "eaglais" comes from Latin ecclesia, "sagart" comes from Latin sacerdos, páiste comes from Norman French "page", gasúr and garsún from Norman French garçon...). Irish has borrowed words from Latin and Greek, from Old Norse, from Anglo-Norman (French), from English of course, and maybe from the language(s) that was/were spoken in Ireland when the Irish language arrived there, some unknown P-Celtic language, they say. And maybe non-IE languages, we don't know. :taz:

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 Post subject: Re: Tír Chonaill
PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec 2012 2:07 pm 
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Of course I'm well aware of all the points made, and that 'bórd' is from old English, and the rest of them from Latin and French and Norse etc. not to mention English.

Of course I have also heard many people use the non-English words in Tír Chonaill, and yes I know many people from there, no doubt you also know some of the same people. And yes I have been there many, many times, as well as I have been to all of the Gaedhealtachtaí many times.

With respect, I merely wrote my query to keep the conversation moving along.

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 Post subject: Re: Tír Chonaill
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I don't think I've heard any speaker from Tír Chonaill use anything other than 'ábalta', 'bcoz', or 'but', instead of 'i n-ann', 'mar', or 'ach', at least in the recent past.


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Of course I have also heard many people use the non-English words in Tír Chonaill


mar sin an rabh tú 'g iarraidh fearg a chur orm? :darklaugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Tír Chonaill
PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec 2012 3:40 pm 
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Qui, moi ? Mais bien súr que non ! Enfin, certes non ! :hide: :aingeal:


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