It is currently Wed 27 May 2026 6:45 am

All times are UTC


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 3:11 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun 28 Aug 2011 6:15 pm
Posts: 3594
Location: An Astráil
Sínis wrote:
I'm not sure if a verbal noun can follow "a" in a sentence?

On the contrary, it is quite common. If you have a verb with an object (déanaim rud) and you need to use the verbal noun then the construction becomes rud a dhéanamh, e.g., ba mhaith liom rud a dhéanamh.

_________________
Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 1:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu 28 Jun 2012 11:25 am
Posts: 14
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Breandán wrote:
Sínis wrote:
I'm not sure if a verbal noun can follow "a" in a sentence?

On the contrary, it is quite common. If you have a verb with an object (déanaim rud) and you need to use the verbal noun then the construction becomes rud a dhéanamh, e.g., ba mhaith liom rud a dhéanamh.


A Bhreandán,

GRMMA for the reply. I have been getting a lot very prompt response here from a lot very helping people, appreciate it!

I understand that you have to use "a + verbal noun" say to "to do". "I have water to drink." "I have things to do", etc.

However, in the sentence "I want it", "Táim á iarraidh.", there is no "a" in the statement sentence (which should be a dropped "ag" in this case), because there is no verb "to". Therefore, I thought the question would be "Cad atá tú iarraidh?", without the "a", is it not right?

Another question related to this, so is it right to think that after "ag" and "a", it has to be the verbal noun to follow?

Thanks a million!

Song


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 2:24 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm
Posts: 2436
Quote:
However, in the sentence "I want it", "Táim á iarraidh.", there is no "a" in the statement sentence (which should be a dropped "ag" in this case), because there is no verb "to". Therefore, I thought the question would be "Cad atá tú iarraidh?", without the "a", is it not right?


you have to put an "a" there because the object of "iarraidh" (which is "cad") is before.
You say: rud a iarraidh ; an rud atá mé a iarraidh ; cad atá tú a iarraidh?.

Quote:
Another question related to this, so is it right to think that after "ag" and "a", it has to be the verbal noun to follow?


yes. However, there are many "a" words in Irish... You may find a conjugated verb after "a" (an rud a dhéanaim = the thing I do) but it's not the same "a" as the one you use before a verbal noun. But normally, conjugated verbs don't look like verbal nouns and vice-versa so normally it's easy to see the difference.

_________________
Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne
:)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 2:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu 28 Jun 2012 11:25 am
Posts: 14
Location: Dublin, Ireland
A Lughaidh,

Thank you very much for the reply.

Quote:
you have to put an "a" there because the object of "iarraidh" (which is "cad") is before.


I thought the "a" in "atá=a+tá" plays the part for being behind "cad"?

What if I only want to say "What do you want?" rather than "What do you want to do"?

Quote:
yes. However, there are many "a" words in Irish... You may find a conjugated verb after "a" (an rud a dhéanaim = the thing I do) but it's not the same "a" as the one you use before a verbal noun. But normally, conjugated verbs don't look like verbal nouns and vice-versa so normally it's easy to see the difference.


Am I correct to understand the "a" after the conjugated verb means"that/which" and before a verbal noun means "to" (as in "to do"?)

:GRMA:


Song


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 3:06 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm
Posts: 2436
Quote:
I thought the "a" in "atá=a+tá" plays the part for being behind "cad"?


yes, that's right

Quote:
What if I only want to say "What do you want?" rather than "What do you want to do"?


What do you want = Cad atá tú a iarraidh? (cad is the direct object of iarraidh)
What do you want to do = Cad atá tú ag iarraidh a dhéanamh? (cad is the direct object of "déanamh"), ie. what are you at-wanting to do?

Quote:
Am I correct to understand the "a" after the conjugated verb means"that/which"

before the conjugated verb, yes.

Quote:
and before a verbal noun means "to" (as in "to do"?)


yes.

_________________
Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne
:)


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 725 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group